Cuba's Sonic Weapon

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Cuba's Sonic Weapon

Post by Rob Lister » Thu Aug 24, 2017 11:28 am

There have been dozens of articles about this over the past several weeks. I just don't know what to think about it.
Some U.S. diplomats in Cuba diagnosed with serious health conditions, medical records show

According to medical records reviewed exclusively by CBS News, a U.S. doctor who evaluated American and Canadian diplomats working in Havana diagnosed them with conditions as serious as mild traumatic brain injury, and with likely damage to the central nervous system.

The diplomats complained about symptoms ranging from hearing loss and nausea to headaches and balance disorders after the State Department said "incidents" began affecting them beginning in late 2016. A source familiar with these incidents says officials are investigating whether the diplomats were targets of a type of sonic attack directed at their homes, which were provided by the Cuban government. The source says reports of more attacks affecting U.S. embassy workers on the island continue.

The doctor, one of several who reviewed their cases, included a warning in the medical records about the health risks of future exposures. The diplomats underwent comprehensive audiological evaluations and a battery of other tests.

In a statement received by CBS News from the University of Miami Health System, they confirmed its physicians were "consulted" by State on its diplomats in Cuba.

"Like any top-notch academic medical center in the nation, the University of Miami is often consulted regarding complex health care issues or emerging diseases. In the case of U.S. diplomats, our physicians were consulted by the State Department," read the statement from the university.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/some-u-s-d ... ords-show/

So it is surmised that our diplomats are being targeted with some sort of sonic weapon.

Just weird. If the Cuban government is doing it, to what fucking end? To harass? As a LOLz? It just makes no sense.

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Re: Cuba's Sonic Weapon

Post by gnome » Thu Aug 24, 2017 1:16 pm

I'm guessing something environmental (to the buildings they are using) and unintentional.

Or they've got some sort of sonic mind control of which the symptoms are a side effect, and they expect the implanted imperatives to activate before the medics figure it out. Issue all diplomats with tinfoil hats.
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Re: Cuba's Sonic Weapon

Post by Anaxagoras » Thu Aug 24, 2017 9:12 pm

Sonic weapon? What is that anyway? Can you hear it?

Maybe true, but maybe some sort of mass hysteria?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_hysteria
In sociology and psychology, mass hysteria (also known as collective hysteria, group hysteria, or collective obsessional behavior) is a phenomenon that transmits collective illusions of threats, whether real or imaginary, through a population in society as a result of rumors and fear (memory acknowledgment).[1][2]

In medicine, the term is used to describe the spontaneous manifestation (production of chemicals in the body) of the same or similar hysterical physical symptoms by more than one person.[3][4]

A common type of mass hysteria occurs when a group of people believe they are suffering from a similar disease or ailment,[5] sometimes referred to as mass psychogenic illness or epidemic hysteria.[6]
Historical examples given in the article. Anyway, just one possibility to posit.
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Re: Cuba's Sonic Weapon

Post by Nyarlathotep » Thu Aug 24, 2017 9:15 pm

Sounds like The Brown Note, something people have been trying and failing for decades to create. But, to answer Anax's question, if it were true it would not necessarily be audible
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Re: Cuba's Sonic Weapon

Post by corplinx » Thu Aug 24, 2017 9:40 pm

Sound. The silent killer.

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Post by Nyarlathotep » Thu Aug 24, 2017 10:05 pm

corplinx wrote:Sound. The silent killer.
Was watching a science fiction show (Killjoys) recently where they were going to use a sonic weapon to disrupt an enemy fleet. In the vacuum of space.

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Re: Cuba's Sonic Weapon

Post by Anaxagoras » Thu Aug 24, 2017 10:20 pm

Right, so there are frequencies the human ear can't hear. Like a dog whistle. But some kind of instrument could detect it, right? Could the "sonic weapon" be directed only at American diplomats without affecting nearby Cubans?
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Post by Pyrrho » Thu Aug 24, 2017 10:22 pm

So Cuba is basically a boom car.
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Post by Grammatron » Thu Aug 24, 2017 10:24 pm

Anaxagoras wrote:Right, so there are frequencies the human ear can't hear. Like a dog whistle. But some kind of instrument could detect it, right? Could the "sonic weapon" be directed only at American diplomats without affecting nearby Cubans?
If any of this is true to begin with, it's likely very easy to cover up incidents of any affected Cubans.

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Re: Cuba's Sonic Weapon

Post by Rob Lister » Thu Aug 24, 2017 10:29 pm

Anaxagoras wrote:Sonic weapon? What is that anyway? Can you hear it?

Maybe true, but maybe some sort of mass hysteria?
I'm sort of leaning toward that or what gnome suggested, some sort of environmental cause.

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Re: Cuba's Sonic Weapon

Post by xouper » Thu Aug 24, 2017 10:34 pm

I'm not making any claims here, but this may be of some relevance to the discussion. Or maybe not.

https://www.google.com/search?q=infrasound+weapon

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Post by Pyrrho » Thu Aug 24, 2017 11:08 pm

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16201210

The impact of low-frequency noise on human mental performance.

Unless they're using a high-frequency weapon, i.e. microwaves, which IIRC can be used to eavesdrop.
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Post by Rob Lister » Thu Aug 24, 2017 11:20 pm

Here's another take on that matter
https://www.justsecurity.org/44289/soni ... nclusions/
Essentially, don't just to conclusions.

He suggests that it may be some counter-intelligence tactics gone awry. That would make more sense. Like that EM eavesdropping.

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Post by Witness » Wed Sep 13, 2017 9:28 pm

US: 2 more Americans were affected by Cuba health attacks

WASHINGTON — Two more Americans have been confirmed to be affected by unexplained health attacks against U.S. diplomats in Cuba, the United States said Tuesday, raising the total number of victims to 21.

The additional two individuals appear to be cases that were only recently reported but occurred in the past. The State Department said no new, medically confirmed "incidents" have taken place since the most recent one in late August. Earlier this month, the U.S. disclosed there had been another incident in August after previously saying the attacks had stopped.
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The union representing American diplomats has said mild traumatic brain injury is among the diagnoses given to some diplomats victimized in the attacks. The American Foreign Service Association has said permanent hearing loss was another diagnosis, and additional symptoms had included brain swelling, severe headaches, loss of balance and "cognitive disruption."
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U.S. investigators have been searching to identify a device that could have harmed the health of the diplomats, believed to have been attacked in their homes in Havana, but officials have said no device had been found.
http://www.myajc.com/news/national-govt ... Y7Ru7mY7K/

"Homes"? Do some of them live(d) outside of the embassy?

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Post by Anaxagoras » Thu Sep 14, 2017 8:36 am

Doesn't sound particularly unusual to me that they would live in homes or apartments outside of the embassy. The embassy may just be an office building and not a residential building.
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Post by Doctor X » Thu Sep 14, 2017 8:52 am

See?! If we were NOT THERE they would be safe!!!

Thanks Bengazi Obama!

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Re: Cuba's Sonic Weapon

Post by Rob Lister » Thu Sep 14, 2017 10:48 am

Attacked in bed, safe a few feet away: Cuba mystery deepens

WASHINGTON (AP) -- The blaring, grinding noise jolted the American diplomat from his bed in a Havana hotel. He moved just a few feet, and there was silence. He climbed back into bed. Inexplicably, the agonizing sound hit him again. It was as if he'd walked through some invisible wall cutting straight through his room.

Soon came the hearing loss, and the speech problems, symptoms both similar and altogether different from others among at least 21 U.S. victims in an astonishing international mystery still unfolding in Cuba. The top U.S. diplomat has called them "health attacks." New details learned by The Associated Press indicate at least some of the incidents were confined to specific rooms or even parts of rooms with laser-like specificity, baffling U.S. officials who say the facts and the physics don't add up.
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/ ... 4-06-04-28

more at link

Still too weird to say what the fuck so, wtf?

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Post by Anaxagoras » Tue Oct 03, 2017 7:53 am

U. S. Plans to Expel Two-Thirds of Cuban Diplomats After Sonic Attack
The Trump administration is expected to oust two-thirds of Cuba’s embassy staff from Washington, D.C. after a string of sonic attacks against American diplomats in Cuba, according to several sources.

The State Department will make an official announcement as early as Tuesday, The Miami Herald reported, citing three sources familiar with the matter. A fourth source added that the U.S. decision to remove Cuban personnel from its territory was an act of “reciprocity” following the Trump administration's decision earlier this month to remove all nonessential staff from the embassy in Havana.

The State Department has not indicated that Havana masterminded the attack, yet it has held Cuba responsible for the safety of foreign diplomats stationed on the island, as part of the Vienna convention on diplomatic affairs, The Miami Herald said.

“Cuba is not upholding its commitments of the Vienna convention, of protecting diplomats,” a source familiar told the newspaper.

Last Sunday, Republican Senator Marco Rubio of Florida rejected the notion that Cuba was not aware of the sonic attack.

“Anyone who has interacted Cuba, been to Cuba or has anything to do with Cuba understands that very little happens in Havana that the Cuban government doesn’t know about, especially Americans working for the State Department,” Rubio said on CBS’s Face the Nation.

“So the idea that over 20 Americans working for the State Department, working for the U.S. Embassy could be severely injured in Cuba and the Cuban government not know anything about it is ridiculous," he added.
Still no clear theory as to what exactly happened or why.
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Re: Cuba's Sonic Weapon

Post by Doctor X » Tue Oct 03, 2017 8:03 am

*Looks Up from Tome of Ancient Text Tentacle Hentai Borrowed from Anax*

The reality of this including why the Cubans would bother exist does there evidences?




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Re: Cuba's Sonic Weapon

Post by gnome » Tue Oct 03, 2017 11:55 am

Doctor X wrote:...including why the Cubans would bother...
Communist pre-version of course.
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