Not nearly the same scale.
asthmatic camel wrote:I think most big cities have gang problems, Doc; Manchester certainly does. Mrs. C.'s nephew was stabbed and nearly killed in a gang related revenge attack a couple of years ago.
Scotland Yard has just completed the task of counting how many street gangs there are in London. The results are staggering: there are more than 170, some of them up to 100-strong.
If every single one of them had 100 members that would be 17,000 gang members in a city of 8.8 million.
In Chicago, which is less than 1/3 the size at 2.7 million population, the Gangster Disciples alone have over 50,000 members. The Latin Kings have over 40,000. The Conservative Vice Lords more than 15,000. The Black Disciples more than 6,000. Traveling Vice Lords over 3,000. And a whole bunch of others in the 500-2,000 member range who make up for in violence what they lack in numbers. MS-13, Crips, and Bloods can't even get a foothold in Chicago because the local gangs will eat them alive.
And these aren't just youth gangs that disband as the members get older, they're in it for life and multiple generations of a family will be in the same gang and some have been around since the 1950s.
And that is why the USA has so much gun violence, not the gun laws. If the gang culture was as entrenched in the UK as it is here there would be just as many shootings, they would find a way to smuggle in guns from eastern Europe, the middle east, and North Africa along with the drugs they sell. It's culture, not guns.
eta: in many cities the police can say "we're the biggest gang in town". In Chicago the police wouldn't even be in the top 3.