Massacre in Las Vegas

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Re: Massacre in Las Vegas

Postby corplinx » Sat Oct 14, 2017 6:32 pm

I figured he went postal because of massive gambling debt. I have no idea why a guy partying in vegas, banging an asian girlfriend, getting side action from vegas hookers (which are the best in murica), and getting VIP treatment from casinos; opens fire on an outdoor concert.

Video Poker doesn't make money for the players, it makes money for the casino. In the fog of shit, I would expect the media to repeat something silly like "he made millions playing video poker".

I am still waiting for a solid narrative explaining the story of this.

Even CSI has chimed in trying to explain it away with a "he was trying to set the record" which there is no evidence for.

https://www.csicop.org/specialarticles/ ... ers_motive

The scariest thing about this shooting is that a lone wolf could act in such isolation with so little information, we may be left wondering what happened and only able to conjecture.

People want certainty. We are drawn to it. The lack thereof drives people bonkers.

So even the CSI publishes an article claiming to know the reason why, and they are skeptics.

I agree with the message of that editorial, which is to take the fame out of spree killing; but we really have no idea if "high score" was the motive.

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Re: Massacre in Las Vegas

Postby Rob Lister » Tue Nov 21, 2017 11:37 pm

Vegas Shooter's Use of Service Elevator May Cost Hotel
Victims and families say Mandalay Bay shouldn't have given access to Stephen Paddock


And they might have a point!

http://www.newser.com/story/251909/vega ... vator.html
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Re: Massacre in Las Vegas

Postby Anaxagoras » Wed Nov 22, 2017 1:26 am

corplinx wrote:I figured he went postal because of massive gambling debt. I have no idea why a guy partying in vegas, banging an asian girlfriend, getting side action from vegas hookers (which are the best in murica), and getting VIP treatment from casinos; opens fire on an outdoor concert.

Video Poker doesn't make money for the players, it makes money for the casino. In the fog of shit, I would expect the media to repeat something silly like "he made millions playing video poker".

It doesn't make money for the player, but could it be used to "launder" ill-gotten money somehow?
(I don't know, just a thought)

I am still waiting for a solid narrative explaining the story of this.

I think we may never have one. For a skeptic, sometimes the only truly right answer is "I don't know." We can guess of course:

Even CSI has chimed in trying to explain it away with a "he was trying to set the record" which there is no evidence for.

https://www.csicop.org/specialarticles/ ... ers_motive


That's essentially the same argument as in the Politico article. It is not correct to say we "know" his motive, but absent compelling evidence for any other theory, it seems like a reasonable guess to me.

The scariest thing about this shooting is that a lone wolf could act in such isolation with so little information, we may be left wondering what happened and only able to conjecture.

People want certainty. We are drawn to it. The lack thereof drives people bonkers.

So even the CSI publishes an article claiming to know the reason why, and they are skeptics.

I agree with the message of that editorial, which is to take the fame out of spree killing; but we really have no idea if "high score" was the motive.


Skepticism (in the philosophical sense) is the position that we can never be 100% certain of anything and we should make peace with that. But just because we cannot be 100% certain doesn't mean we shouldn't try to make a best guess based on the available evidence. Notoriety is one plausible theory since there doesn't seem to be much evidence for any other explanation. Call it a best guess unless you think you have a better theory.

This though:
In the open letter, these professionals pleaded with members of the media to take specific actions in an effort to discourage future attacks:

1. Don’t name the perpetrator.
2. Don’t use photos or likenesses of the perpetrator.
3. Stop using the names, photos, or likenesses of past perpetrators.
4. Report everything else about these crimes in as much detail as desired.


Maybe in an ideal world (but in an ideal world there wouldn't be mass shootings in the first place).
Doesn't seem realistic in a world with a free press, not without trampling on free speech rights.
Plus, too many people want to use these shootings to serve their own political agenda, and the identity of the perpetrator is often a key part of the narrative they want to convey. If they kept the perpetrator's identity a secret, how many conspiracy theories would that add fuel to? How many people would assume that the perpetrator was a jihadist? (ISIS did try to take credit for it, after all).
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Re: Massacre in Las Vegas

Postby Ranb » Wed Dec 06, 2017 2:09 am

ed wrote:The technical term is "suppressor" because they do not really "silence". :cowbell:

Actually muffler and silencer are the legal terms used in federal law. Suppress better describes what they do though.

ed wrote:To use one you need to use rounds that are subsonic ....

100% false. A silencer that reduces noise by 30 decibels with standard ammo will do the same with subsonic ammo. The end result is less noise due to the smaller powder charge and no sonic boom.

ed wrote:....also the range is reduced.

If Paddock had used subsonic .308 in his AR-10 his effective range would still have been about 600 yards. He was firing from about 400 yards away.

ed wrote:Any idiot can make a suppressor fairly easily. Plans are readily available on the net. It is, of course, illegal without registering it.

I make them as a hobby; they're easier to buy.
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Re: Massacre in Las Vegas

Postby shemp » Wed Dec 06, 2017 3:30 am

At last, somebody who really knows guns and can give ed a schooling.
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Re: Massacre in Las Vegas

Postby Skeeve » Sat Jan 13, 2018 5:55 pm

Update: FBI documents unsealed in Las Vegas massacre

LAS VEGAS — FBI agents knew the gunman behind the deadliest mass shooting in modern U.S. history left behind big caches of guns, ammunition and explosives when they sought warrants to search his properties and online accounts, according to court documents released Friday.
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Las Vegas police Officer Aden Ocampo Gomez and FBI spokeswoman Sandra Breault said Friday that they had no update about Paddock’s motive. Both called it an ongoing investigation.

Not a whole lot more to say...
Then Skank Of America could start in...

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Re: Massacre in Las Vegas

Postby WildCat » Sat Jan 13, 2018 6:26 pm

At this point I doubt we'll ever have a motive.
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Re: Massacre in Las Vegas

Postby Pyrrho » Sat Jan 13, 2018 7:13 pm

Maybe never had a "motive" beyond insanity. As if knowing the motive for one crime ever helps to prevent another crime.
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