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Re: #metoo Meets Senator Al Franken

Post by Anaxagoras » Fri Dec 08, 2017 4:44 am

Grammatron wrote:
Mentat wrote:Just a reminder that isn't the only case of his predatory behavior. He uses his power to belittle, abuse, and get away with it, but it's okay because Trump.
Here's a list all in one place.

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/ar ... mp/547724/
I'd say there's at least as much there as there is against Franken. Minus the "joke" photo, but plus some of Trump's own statements before he was running for office.

But, whatever. It isn't Weinstein, either. Weinstein was in a whole different league of creepiness.
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Re: #metoo Meets Senator Al Franken

Post by Abdul Alhazred » Fri Dec 08, 2017 10:20 am

Anaxagoras wrote:I'd say there's at least as much there as there is against Franken.
Nope. Franken is a Democrat.

Moore is worse and just got elected.
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Re: #metoo Meets Senator Al Franken

Post by Pyrrho » Fri Dec 08, 2017 11:48 am

Already? The vote is 4 days away.
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Re: #metoo Meets Senator Al Franken

Post by RCC: Act II » Fri Dec 08, 2017 1:45 pm

Abdul Alhazred wrote:
Moore is worse and just got elected.
They told us that if we allowed gay marriage it would lead to pedophilia becoming acceptable. So...

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Re: #metoo Meets Senator Al Franken

Post by gnome » Fri Dec 08, 2017 4:21 pm

Ohhh that's it, we misunderstood. It was a threat, not a warning.
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Re: #metoo Meets Senator Al Franken

Post by gnome » Fri Dec 08, 2017 5:32 pm

In a more serious response to that, I have come to believe that the conflation of things like homosexualty with pedophilia is not just an obstinate debate tactic--I think it is a reflection of the mindset of the speaker (which is an unfortunately too-large wing of the Republican landscape) -- that condemns all sexual "deviancy" without assigning any special significance to consent or harm issues. They don't expect such a line to be respected if any of the previously "taboo" acts become acceptable, because they don't really comprehend the significance themselves. They'll agree with everyone that rape is wrong, but they will lump it and all sexual acts they consider deviant in the same moral box.
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Re: #metoo Meets Senator Al Franken

Post by Abdul Alhazred » Fri Dec 08, 2017 5:42 pm

The conflation of homosexuality with pedophilia (that specifically not "things like") is the number one blood libel talking point of the religious right.

It is a way of trying to convince people to hate gays, not for whatever reason they "really" do, whether it's God said so or merely ick factor.

Another example with a similar dynamic is Farrakhan blaming the Jews for slavery. He knows it's a lie, but the hatred is real. And he wants other blacks to hate Jews too.
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Re: #metoo Meets Senator Al Franken

Post by gnome » Fri Dec 08, 2017 6:03 pm

I don't think everyone on the religious right does so out of a disingenuous motive, but I accept that there is an amount of what you describe that is not trivial.
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Re: #metoo Meets Senator Al Franken

Post by Abdul Alhazred » Fri Dec 08, 2017 6:07 pm

gnome wrote:I don't think everyone on the religious right does so out of a disingenuous motive ...
Rank and file? Sure.
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Re: #metoo Meets Senator Al Franken

Post by Skeeve » Sat Dec 09, 2017 1:30 am

Al Franken to Resign From Senate Amid Harassment Allegations
WASHINGTON — Senator Al Franken of Minnesota, in an emotional speech on the Senate floor, announced on Thursday that he would resign from Congress, the most prominent figure in a growing list of lawmakers felled by charges of sexual harassment or indiscretions.
So is the governor of his state a democrat?
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Re: #metoo Meets Senator Al Franken

Post by ed » Sat Dec 09, 2017 1:38 am

yup
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Re: #metoo Meets Senator Al Franken

Post by Abdul Alhazred » Sat Dec 23, 2017 6:00 pm

Franken urged to reverse his resignation
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And just for giggles, here is a comment thread over by Democratic Underground :)

https://www.democraticunderground.com/10141942156
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Re: #metoo Meets Senator Al Franken

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Abdul Alhazred wrote:Franken urged to reverse his resignation
Politico

And just for giggles, here is a comment thread over by Democratic Underground :)

https://www.democraticunderground.com/10141942156
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“What they did to Al was atrocious, the Democrats,” said West Virginia Sen. Joe Manchin in an interview for POLITICO’s Off Message podcast to post on Tuesday.
Well 'Santa,' I guess they were for him, before they were against him....or maybe they want to flip=flopp (again)?
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Re: #metoo Meets Senator Al Franken

Post by ed » Sat Dec 23, 2017 6:30 pm

Abdul Alhazred wrote:Franken urged to reverse his resignation
Politico

And just for giggles, here is a comment thread over by Democratic Underground :)

https://www.democraticunderground.com/10141942156
I'm STILL waking up at 3am and unable to get back to sleep over the whole affair.
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Re: #metoo Meets Senator Al Franken

Post by Anaxagoras » Sat Dec 23, 2017 6:35 pm

Manchin ripped into the members who issued statements insisting that Franken resign — only to gather on the Senate floor the next day to watch him announce he was doing just that.

“The most hypocritical thing I’ve ever seen done to a human being — and then have enough guts to sit on the floor, watch him give his speech and go over and hug him? That’s hypocrisy at the highest level I’ve ever seen in my life. Made me sick,” Manchin said.
I don't know that it's hypocritical. It's complicated. You can hate the sin but not sinner, right?
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Re: #metoo Meets Senator Al Franken

Post by Doctor X » Wed Jan 03, 2018 9:00 am

It is official, and not worth the link.

Rumors have it that the Certifiable Michelle "Biblically Qualified" Bachmann will want to run for the seat. Could not think of a greater give to Minnesota Democrats other than if Roy Moore moved there.

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