Net neutrality, we hardly knew ye

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Re: Net neutrality, we hardly knew ye

Post by RCC: Act II » Sat Dec 16, 2017 10:29 pm

Abdul Alhazred wrote:Were things really so bloody awful before 2015?
Well, the reason the rules were deemed necessary is that the ISPs were starting to do some iffy things and the rules wanted to stop it from getting worse.

So, before ISPs got around to doing the things that were stopped in their tracks in 2015, no, the things that the ISPs had yet to do were not making things awful.

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Re: Net neutrality, we hardly knew ye

Post by Rob Lister » Sat Dec 16, 2017 11:08 pm

gnome wrote: XYZ Internet allows customer to access XYZFlix without going against their data cap. That is likely to be popular with users, but does it squeeze out competition sideways?
They've always been able to do that.

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Re: Net neutrality, we hardly knew ye

Post by gnome » Sun Dec 17, 2017 4:13 pm

That's correct. I wanted to consider it in the same context anyway. Is it anti-competitive?
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Re: Net neutrality, we hardly knew ye

Post by Abdul Alhazred » Sat Dec 23, 2017 9:17 pm

This demonstrator may disagree with my point of view, but at least he understands the issue. :coolspecs:

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Re: Net neutrality, we hardly knew ye

Post by ed » Wed Jan 03, 2018 3:30 pm

Just got this from my ISP
Myakka Communications Updated Plans
Customer: 10000

Have you been told Internet prices will go up because of the repeal of "Net Neutrality"? NOT TRUE!! We are increasing your speeds and effectively removing the usage limits, without increasing your price.

Effective January 1st, 2018, Myakka Communications will be temporarily adjusting all residential plans. Please see http://www.myakka.com/pricing.html for an overview of the new plans. If additional government costs, such as net neutrally, are applied in the future, we reserve the right to revert to your contracted speeds and limits.


You currently are on the ENTERTAINMENT plan.

Your speeds have been increased to 50Mbps download and 50Mbps upload.

Your usage threshold has been increased to 250GB per month.

By popular demand, we have eliminated overage fees on your plan. On the new plan, once you exceed the threshold, your speeds may be reduced. See website for details.

You will not have to do anything to take advantage of these new features. Your system will automatically be upgraded to the faster speeds. There will be NO pricing increase, your monthly bills will remain the same.

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Re: Net neutrality, we hardly knew ye

Post by gnome » Wed Jan 03, 2018 6:06 pm

Huge straw man. The controversy was not about pricier service--it was about affecting content access, such as throttling a competitor's online service. A misdirection from ISPs seeking to deflect criticism.
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Re: Net neutrality, we hardly knew ye

Post by Grammatron » Wed Jan 03, 2018 6:10 pm

gnome wrote:Huge straw man. The controversy was not about pricier service--it was about affecting content access, such as throttling a competitor's online service. A misdirection from ISPs seeking to deflect criticism.
That's not true at all. Data caps and prices set by local providers who were monopolies were part of the complaint.
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Re: Net neutrality, we hardly knew ye

Post by RCC: Act II » Wed Jan 03, 2018 6:27 pm

I like how they are "effectively removing" the usage cap in the same letter they say there is a 250GB storage cap.
If additional government costs, such as net neutrally, are applied in the future, we reserve the right to revert to your contracted speeds and limits.
Yeah, get the government out of this. We don't need no.... err...
A tiny Internet provider based in Myakka City has landed a long-shot federal award of nearly $8 million that will enable it to live up to its “Broadband to the Boonies” motto.

Myakka Technologies requested the money as part of a federal stimulus program designed to give an economic and educational boost to the nation’s rural areas.
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Got that there welfare internet, eh?

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Re: Net neutrality, we hardly knew ye

Post by Abdul Alhazred » Wed Jan 03, 2018 6:38 pm

Net neutrality == HD pr0n subsidized by people who don't consume it + attempted political control of internet content.
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Re: Net neutrality, we hardly knew ye

Post by ed » Wed Jan 03, 2018 6:38 pm

Gee golly. Sure did.

actually, they had wide area wifi before that. Used that for a bit before they wired my street.
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Re: Net neutrality, we hardly knew ye

Post by Abdul Alhazred » Wed Jan 03, 2018 6:39 pm

So tell me ed.

Do you believe in freedom of speech?

How about freedom after speech?
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Re: Net neutrality, we hardly knew ye

Post by gnome » Wed Jan 03, 2018 6:55 pm

Grammatron wrote:
gnome wrote:Huge straw man. The controversy was not about pricier service--it was about affecting content access, such as throttling a competitor's online service. A misdirection from ISPs seeking to deflect criticism.
That's not true at all. Data caps and prices set by local providers who were monopolies were part of the complaint.
Then they're complaining about something other than net neutrality, aren't they?
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Re: Net neutrality, we hardly knew ye

Post by Grammatron » Wed Jan 03, 2018 7:04 pm

gnome wrote:
Grammatron wrote:
gnome wrote:Huge straw man. The controversy was not about pricier service--it was about affecting content access, such as throttling a competitor's online service. A misdirection from ISPs seeking to deflect criticism.
That's not true at all. Data caps and prices set by local providers who were monopolies were part of the complaint.
Then they're complaining about something other than net neutrality, aren't they?
Huh?

https://www.eff.org/issues/net-neutrality
Local governments can also play a crucial role by supporting competitive municipal and community networks. When users can vote with their feet, service providers have a strong incentive not to act in non-neutral ways.
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Re: Net neutrality, we hardly knew ye

Post by gnome » Wed Jan 03, 2018 7:07 pm

Abdul Alhazred wrote:Net neutrality == HD pr0n subsidized by people who don't consume it + attempted political control of internet content.
The first is a deflection--if they find their customers don't like flat rate pricing for that reason, they can go back to charging by the byte and see how they like it. No need to play with bandwidth by content.

The second--where is the political control coming in? Give me an example of that power exercised (hypothetically) because of Net Neutrality enforcement.
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Re: Net neutrality, we hardly knew ye

Post by Witness » Thu Jan 18, 2018 6:22 pm

Pacific Standard wrote:Twenty-Two Attorneys General Sue the FCC Over Net Neutrality Repeal

On Tuesday, 22 state attorneys general filed a federal lawsuit against the Federal Communications Commission in response to the agency's repeal of Obama-era net neutrality regulations, the Hill reports. Last month, the FCC rolled back rules, in place since 2015, that prevented Internet service providers from blacklisting specific websites or charging different prices for faster loading speeds.

"In repealing the net neutrality rules, the FCC ignored consumers' strong support for a free and open Internet," California Attorney General Xavier Becerra said in a statement, echoing the backlash of the widely unpopular December repeal. "Internet access is a utility."

The lawsuit follows senate Democrats' announcement on Monday, reported by the Washington Post, that 50 senators have signed on to a Senate resolution that would overturn the FCC repeal and restore net neutrality rules. However, even if the necessary 51 Senate votes are secured, the bill is unlikely to pass the Republican-majority House or be signed by President Donald Trump.
https://psmag.com/news/22-attorneys-gen ... ity-repeal