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Post by RCC: Act II » Sat Dec 16, 2017 5:00 am

Witness wrote:
Roy Moore Retires From Politics To Spend More Quality Time With Someone's Kid
The Onion, of course.
My favorite was when someone was asking if he was going to run again in '20.

"No, he usually stops after 17"

(could have been this thread or forum... read it somewhere... still gold.)

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Post by Pyrrho » Sun Dec 17, 2017 12:00 am

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Post by Abdul Alhazred » Sun Dec 17, 2017 1:13 am

Matt Taibbi and Mark Ames.

The two expat bros who terrorized women correspondents in Moscow
The Washington Post

Synopsis: No actual grab-ass is being alleged this time.
There’s more than one way to harass women. A raft of men in recent weeks have paid for accusations of sexual harassment with their companies, their jobs, their plum political posts. But one point has been overlooked in the scandals: Men can be belittling, cruel and deeply damaging without demanding sex.

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Post by Pyrrho » Sun Dec 17, 2017 1:36 pm

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Post by Anaxagoras » Sun Dec 17, 2017 2:23 pm

Abdul Alhazred wrote:One theory is "they" think they are preparing the moral groundwork for impeaching the pussy grabber.

Is this possible? That this is the conscious purpose of the ideological enterprise not the actual impeachment.
Came across this in the New York Times:

The Politics of #HimToo Thomas B. Edsall DEC. 14, 2017
The issue of sexual misconduct has emerged as a centerpiece of Democratic strategy for taking on President Trump and the Republican Party. That strategy paid off on Tuesday with the defeat of Roy Moore.
Since the first week of October, when The Times wrote about Harvey Weinstein’s pattern of sexual abuse, the floodwaters have been rising. At least 51 prominent men have been accused of sexual misconduct, ranging from groping to rape. The accused — many of them abruptly removed from their positions — run the ideological and partisan gamut from Garrison Keillor to Leon Wieseltier to John Conyers to Matt Lauer to James Levine to Trent Franks to Al Franken to Charlie Rose and on and on, including, most recently, Mario Batali and Russell Simmons.

For Democrats, who have struggled to find traction in their battles with the administration, the explosion of allegations has created an opening to put the focus on Trump — a development greatly enhanced by the Moore debacle.

Among Democrats, Gillibrand stands out as the politician who first claimed ownership of the issue, and she is seen by many analysts and commentators as having moved into the front ranks of potential presidential candidates. But what Gillibrand started has become a broader movement encompassing almost the entire Democratic Senate caucus.

After initiating the call on Franken to resign his seat, Gillibrand swiftly received remarkably strong support from her colleagues: 32 fellow Democratic senators and the two independent senators who caucus with the Democrats. There seemed to be an emerging consensus with a basic chess tactic: Sometimes you are required to sacrifice a pawn to checkmate the king.
One of the strongest arguments in favor of a no-exceptions policy is that if Democrats want to capitalize on the surge of support for the #MeToo movement — and to make use of these issues against Trump and the likes of Roy Moore — they must have clean hands.
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Elizabeth Bartholet, the director of the child advocacy program and a professor at Harvard Law School, who is no fan of Donald Trump, wrote in an email:
I think this is another moment we may look back on as a moment characterized by madness and sexual panic even though it is a moment that is important in recognizing serious abuses that deserve to be called out.
Bartholet argued that when the posture of Democratic senators is examined
cynically, I just wonder how much credibility it has with Democrats openly talking about the need to do this so they could be in the superior position to the Republicans.
If it's just a cynical political strategy, a "pawn sacrifice" so to speak, I think most people will see through that.
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Post by ed » Sun Dec 17, 2017 2:35 pm

One of the strongest arguments in favor of a no-exceptions policy is that if Democrats want to capitalize on the surge of support for the #MeToo movement — and to make use of these issues against Trump and the likes of Roy Moore — they must have clean hands.
Start with the Clintons and Gillibrands unequivocal support for Bill's rapes and Hillary's enabling.

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Post by Abdul Alhazred » Sun Dec 17, 2017 2:35 pm

Anaxagoras wrote: ...

If it's just a cynical political strategy, a "pawn sacrifice" so to speak, I think most people will see through that.
Allegedly cynical Democrats, at least lately, have been mighty self-gullible about what they think the rubes will sit still for.

Meanwhile over by Free Republic on the Matt Taibbi front ...

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/ ... s?page=8#8
Taibbi’s big mistake was crossing the leftist media shills about the fake Russian collusion smear against Trump.
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Post by Pyrrho » Sun Dec 17, 2017 5:51 pm

https://www.duffelblog.com/2017/12/ches ... ping-legs/
Cpl. Chesty XIV, also known as Chesty The Bulldog, has been removed from his primary duties as the official Marine Corps mascot following multiple charges of sexual misconduct, sources confirmed today.

There were several cases involving accusations of leg humping, unsolicited face licking, and one claim of lewd sexting.

“I always suspected Chesty was letting his fame go to his head,” said Pfc. David Trimbull, a member of the Marine Corps Silent Drill Platoon. “We all heard rumors, but the command made it perfectly clear they wanted us to keep quiet.”
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Post by Abdul Alhazred » Sun Dec 17, 2017 7:35 pm

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http://www.msn.com/en-us/music/celebrit ... li=BBmkt5R

Is it OK for me to stop giving a shit yet? :notsure:
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Post by Doctor X » Mon Dec 18, 2017 3:33 am

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Post by Doctor X » Mon Dec 18, 2017 4:22 pm

Linda Sarsour

There is a shock. . . .

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Post by Anaxagoras » Tue Dec 19, 2017 1:52 am

Kozinski announces his immediate retirement:

https://www.voanews.com/a/us-judge-alex ... 69156.html
SAN FRANCISCO —

A prominent U.S. appeals court judge announced his retirement Monday days after women alleged he subjected them to inappropriate sexual conduct or comments.

Judge Alex Kozinski of the 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals said in a statement that a battle over the accusations would not be good for the judiciary. He said he'll step down, effective immediately.

The Washington Post reported last week that at least 15 women made allegations against Kozinski that go back decades. The allegations include inappropriate touching and lewd comments.

Kozinski said while speaking in a "candid way" with male and female law clerks, "I may not have been mindful enough of the special challenges and pressures that women face in the workplace," the statement said. "It grieves me to learn that I caused any of my clerks to feel uncomfortable; this was never my intent. For this I sincerely apologize."

Leah Litman, a law professor at the University of California, Irvine, told the Post that the judge talked about having just had sex and pinched her side and leg at a restaurant the night before they appeared together on a panel at her school in July.

Christine Miller, a retired U.S. Court of Federal Claims judge, said Kozinski grabbed her breasts during a car ride in 1986 after a legal community function in the Baltimore area. She said it came after she declined his offer to go to a motel and have sex.

A lawyer who was not identified said Kozinski approached her when she was alone at a legal event in Los Angeles in 2008 and kissed her on the lips and gave her a bear hug with no warning.

The newspaper said the woman's husband confirmed the incident and said the couple didn't think they could do anything because of the judge's position.

The Post reported last week that six former clerks or more junior staff members accused Kozinski of inappropriate behavior, including showing them pornography.

Kozinski, 67, was chief judge of the 9th Circuit, the largest federal appeals court circuit in the country, from 2007 to 2014. He is known for his irreverent opinions, and his clerks often win prestigious clerkships at the U.S. Supreme Court.

The 9th Circuit has opened a misconduct inquiry that was transferred Friday to the Judicial Council of the 2nd U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals in New York.
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Post by ed » Tue Dec 19, 2017 2:35 am

Doctor X wrote:Linda Sarsour

There is a shock. . . .

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Anaxagoras wrote:Kozinski announces his immediate retirement:

https://www.voanews.com/a/us-judge-alex ... 69156.html
SAN FRANCISCO —

A prominent U.S. appeals court judge announced his retirement Monday days after women alleged he subjected them to inappropriate sexual conduct or comments.

Judge Alex Kozinski of the 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals said in a statement that a battle over the accusations would not be good for the judiciary. He said he'll step down, effective immediately.

The Washington Post reported last week that at least 15 women made allegations against Kozinski that go back decades. The allegations include inappropriate touching and lewd comments.

Kozinski said while speaking in a "candid way" with male and female law clerks, "I may not have been mindful enough of the special challenges and pressures that women face in the workplace," the statement said. "It grieves me to learn that I caused any of my clerks to feel uncomfortable; this was never my intent. For this I sincerely apologize."

Leah Litman, a law professor at the University of California, Irvine, told the Post that the judge talked about having just had sex and pinched her side and leg at a restaurant the night before they appeared together on a panel at her school in July.

Christine Miller, a retired U.S. Court of Federal Claims judge, said Kozinski grabbed her breasts during a car ride in 1986 after a legal community function in the Baltimore area. She said it came after she declined his offer to go to a motel and have sex.

A lawyer who was not identified said Kozinski approached her when she was alone at a legal event in Los Angeles in 2008 and kissed her on the lips and gave her a bear hug with no warning.

The newspaper said the woman's husband confirmed the incident and said the couple didn't think they could do anything because of the judge's position.

The Post reported last week that six former clerks or more junior staff members accused Kozinski of inappropriate behavior, including showing them pornography.

Kozinski, 67, was chief judge of the 9th Circuit, the largest federal appeals court circuit in the country, from 2007 to 2014. He is known for his irreverent opinions, and his clerks often win prestigious clerkships at the U.S. Supreme Court.

The 9th Circuit has opened a misconduct inquiry that was transferred Friday to the Judicial Council of the 2nd U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals in New York.
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Post by Doctor X » Tue Dec 19, 2017 2:38 am

I am unaware of Hillary actually publicly hoping another woman would get raped and her genitals destroyed.

I do not even think Trump has done that.

I will have to back on Mother Theresa. . . .

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Post by ed » Tue Dec 19, 2017 2:39 am

Doctor X wrote:I am unaware of Hillary actually publicly hoping another woman would get raped and her genitals destroyed.

I do not even think Trump has done that.

I will have to back on Mother Theresa. . . .

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Post by Anaxagoras » Tue Dec 19, 2017 3:04 am

Doctor X wrote:Linda Sarsour

There is a shock. . . .

--J.D.
Follow-up from Buzzfeed:

https://www.buzzfeed.com/hannahallam/wo ... .fyDoWb3vj

It's a little hard to say for certain whose account is correct here, but they did give her a chance to respond and provide evidences. The alleged harrassment occurred when nobody else was present according to the alleged victim, so no third party could have direct knowledge.

Why would she have lied though?

Otoh, witnesses back up Sarsour's version, so . . .

It does seem clear that she did not believe the accuser. Whether she took the accusations seriously and investigated them properly before dismissing the claims is hard to know from this.
The Daily Caller story is based on the account provided by Fathelbab and information from “two people who knew Fathelbab during her time at the Arab American Association,” and another anonymous person identified as a “New York political operative.” These three other sources, according to the Daily Caller, independently confirmed her account. Because they were not named, BuzzFeed could not verify their stories.
Two anonymous people and a "political operative".
Sarsour said she’s “dumbfounded” by Fathelbab’s version of what happened. As referenced in the documents Sarsour provided, she gave ACCESS an affidavit dated Aug. 13, 2009. Sarsour defended Seif in the statement and wrote that it was Fathelbab who was creating a hostile environment by telling co-workers stories of alleged harassment.

Sarsour told ACCESS she’d looked into the claims and found “no substantial evidence or any testimonies from anyone about the alleged accusations.” Even so, Sarsour continued, she talked with Seif about the claims and asked him to stay “as far away as possible” from Fathelbab to avoid worsening the issue. Seif denied Fathelbab’s claims at the time, and he does to to this day. Sarsour said she’d considered the matter settled — until hearing five months later that Fathelbab had told ACCESS about the claims.

Sarsour told BuzzFeed that none of Fathelbab’s claims to the Daily Caller matched the account she brought to Sarsour nearly nine years ago.

“The exact words were, ‘He makes me feel uncomfortable,’” Sarsour said. “There was nothing about touching or groping. There’s no evidence, no email, she can pull out where she ever gave those claims to us.”

As for the claims about body-shaming, Sarsour said, that “never, ever” happened.

“This is character assassination,” she said. “This is where we have to draw the line. I have two daughters. This is not the type of behavior I engage in.”
Sarsour provided BuzzFeed News several materials supporting her version of events, including:

An August 13, 2009, statement to ACCESS by Seif, the accused volunteer, who said he’d never been around Fathelbab without another staff member present and that the claims against him were “offensive and hurtful.”
Signed statements dated August 14, 2009, in which two staff members who worked closely with Fathelbab told ACCESS they had no reason to believe the claims had merit.


BuzzFeed News interviewed both of the former co-workers who provided statements in 2009, and both said they stood by their accounts.

One, Jihad Kifayeh, said Fathelbab was a good friend of his in the office — they often ate lunch together and she let him use her car a couple of times. He said he took her claims seriously when she told him and other co-workers that Seif was harassing her, even monitoring Seif’s behavior around her for any sign of misconduct.

“If this was my sister, I would expect the same,” Kifayeh said. “I wanted to get to the bottom of it. We watched Majed before we even let him know.”

Seif did not immediately respond to a request for comment from BuzzFeed News on Monday.

He and co-workers kept digging, Kifayeh said, but found nothing to corroborate Fathelbab’s claims. He said some of her stories sounded logistically impossible in a bustling, tightly knit office where staffers were rarely, if ever, alone. He also said she never described physical harassment or groping. “This is a new aspect to the story I’ve never heard before. It was always, ‘He’s stalking me, he’s following me,’ but never anything about touching,” he said.

“We were like, ‘How? When?’” Kifayeh said. “It’s not like we all disappear. We all come in at the same time and we leave at the same time.”

The other former co-worker, a man who shared an office with Fathelbab for a year, agreed to speak on condition of anonymity because he wanted to protect his family from the social media firestorm that’s erupted around the story.

The former colleague said he never heard her scream at the top of her lungs as she told the Daily Caller. He said Seif would enter and exit a room silently on his usual business and she’d insist he was following her. The former colleague said it was clear to him and others in the office that her claims were baseless.

“Linda did what she was supposed to do. She had a meeting, got our perspective, got our witness accounts. What else could she do?” he said. “I thought this was over and done with nine years ago.”
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Post by Doctor X » Tue Dec 19, 2017 5:35 am

Her previous statements against women along with the fact I have already gathered
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Post by Anaxagoras » Tue Dec 19, 2017 6:01 am

I think the standard by which she is most blameworthy is, in fact, the Feminist philosophy of "believe the victim". The part I highlighted would be problematic for feminists because she went beyond saying that we couldn't find any evidence to confirm her story and instead blamed her for spreading a false story. According to feminists, that is bad.

https://wearawhitefeather.wordpress.com ... lieve-her/
Believe Her*

Believe her, or him, or zir. Regardless of gender, believe the victim.

There are those who have pushed back about the main vow of the OWF, and that’s to believe the victim. Period. Again and again, I hear the same things perpetuating the myth of frequent false accusations.

“What if she’s* lying?”
“False accusations do happen.”
“People will just cry rape willy nilly.”
“I wasn’t there, so I don’t know what happened.”

All these piss me off, but especially the last one. Of course you weren’t there. Two people were there. Most predators ensure there are no other witnesses. That’s how they get to keep doing this over and over again. Rape culture and incorrect stereotypes about women, especially, fuel the rest. This is where you must believe. You’re either going to believe the victim, the person who has been traumatized, or you are going to believe the accused, the one scoffing and claiming “she’s* crazy,” again, misogynistic stereotyping there.

When you vow to “Believe the victim. Period,” I’m not saying you’re going to take every single word that comes out of her* mouth as the end-all and be-all objective truth gospel. What I’m saying is this: that you believe that something extremely traumatic happened to this person, and it was caused, at least in part, by this person they claim. Give the victim the benefit of the doubt, make the accused explain themselves. Not the other way around.

Believe her*. Period.
Not saying I agree with all that, but that is the feminist party line, and she apparently did the opposite.
Sarsour defended Seif in the statement and wrote that it was Fathelbab who was creating a hostile environment by telling co-workers stories of alleged harassment.
So. No white feather for her.
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