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Postby Skeeve » Mon May 21, 2018 12:53 am

and finally: On #MeToo and Democrats’ Moral Authority

In a matter of months, #MeToo has caused a seismic cultural upheaval.
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#MeToo has also sparked a backlash, with critics ranging from anti-feminists to liberals.
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There are very good reasons why there is collapsing trust in American public institutions, and #MeToo has only hastened that collapse,” he wrote. “Make no mistake, it’s a welcome reckoning. But it’s also dismantling progressive moral credibility. It’s revealing a deep rot and entrenched corruption. And it’s leaving Americans with a profound, unanswered question: You say the Trump GOP is morally bad, but where is your morally superior alternative?”

French is right about this much: The left, broadly, and the Democratic Party, specifically, have no claim to moral superiority on the issue of sexual harassment, at least in practice (as opposed to policy). From Ted Kennedy and Bill Clinton to Franken and, most recently, former New York Attorney General Eric Schneiderman, the Democrats have as disgraceful a history of mistreatment of women as Republicans do.
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Postby Skeeve » Mon May 21, 2018 7:02 pm

The Supreme Court Is Helping Companies Get Away With Sexual Harassment

Me Too just got dealt a major blow by the Supreme Court.

On Monday, in an opinion written by Trump appointee Neil Gorsuch, the court ruled 5-4 that it is legal for employers to require workers to sign away their right to file class-action lawsuits against the employer ― and instead be forced to take their disputes to individual arbitration, a private court system in which companies typically have the upper hand.

For many women, the ruling means they will no longer be able to band together to fight systemic sexual discrimination or harassment in court. Women’s rights advocates were quick to decry the decision in Epic Systems Corp. v. Lewis.

“It is a real blow to women in the workplace. We have seen from the Me Too movement the power that comes from women’s voices coming together,” said Emily Martin, a vice president at the National Women’s Law Center. “This decision makes it so much harder for employees to challenge harassment or other forms of discrimination, which means those workplace abuses are more likely to continue.”


Seriously?

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Going it alone, the most a woman can generally hope for is a monetary judgment. But banding together, women who file class actions can do far more to ensure that a company stops discriminatory behavior.

In the past, Ruan said, class actions have forced companies to change their ways. She pointed to a case that Home Depot settled in 1997, agreeing not only to pay the women suing the company millions of dollars but also to change its policies.

So a woman going alone, will only get money, but a bunch of women will end up getting (probably less) money, ahhhh but wait, the LAWYERS won't get any money.... yes, they only get paid if they win, but they do get paid fairly well when they DO win...

I don't see this as a big deal for the pound me too crowd frankly....
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Postby Grammatron » Mon May 21, 2018 7:09 pm

This ruling appears inline with 50 years of SCOTUS rulings, but then facts get in the way of people's outrage.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arbitrati ... ted_States
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Postby gnome » Tue May 22, 2018 1:24 am

Without abuse that would likely have to be specific to a case, I don't see how a court could forbid laws that allow this kind of deal. Even if it's a bad idea, I'm hard pressed to think the solution is in courtrooms. We either would need to demand different laws, or refuse to sign such deals. There's no shortcut to that, possibly.
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Postby Captain » Fri May 25, 2018 1:51 pm

He'll learn the rules...
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Postby Pyrrho » Fri May 25, 2018 5:50 pm

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Postby Pyrrho » Fri May 25, 2018 6:52 pm

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Postby Skeeve » Sat May 26, 2018 11:24 pm

An Alarming Share of Americans Think Women Are Making False #MeToo Claims

The #MeToo movement is now an undeniable force in American culture—but a new poll is a reminder that not everyone thinks it’s entirely a force for good.

According to a new poll of 6,251 adults released by the Pew Research Center on Wednesday, 31% of respondents say that women making false claims about being sexually harassed or assaulted is a major problem in today’s workplace. Another 45% think baseless allegations are a minor problem.

Interestingly, there’s no gender divide among those who believe that false reports are a major problem: that 31% of respondents is split equally between men and women.

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Postby Abdul Alhazred » Sat May 26, 2018 11:46 pm

First of all, it's not a poll of what people believe, but what they pretend to believe.

So that would be more likely to split along Party lines rather than sex.
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Postby Skeeve » Sun May 27, 2018 3:20 pm

Abdul Alhazred wrote:First of all, it's not a poll of what people believe, but what they pretend to believe.

So that would be more likely to split along Party lines rather than sex.


Yep you are correct!
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There is, however, a partisan split: Republican or Republican-leaning responders were more likely to identify the issue as problem (34%) than Democrats or Democrat-leaning (29%).
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Along the same lines, 34% of poll takers told Pew that employers firing accused men before finding out all the facts is a major issue (39% called it a minor problem).

Which says something about the people in those demographics....
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Still, the data suggests that observers are deeply skeptical that the current sexual harassment-related shake-up will result in a fairer and more gender-neutral workplace. More than half of poll respondents told Pew that the increased focus on harassment will make it harder for men to interact with women at work (at 55%, men were slightly more likely to say so than women). The older the cohort, the more likely they were to say that #MeToo will make such interactions harder on men.

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Postby Anaxagoras » Tue May 29, 2018 4:56 am

34% of Republicans vs. 29% of Democrats actually doesn't seem like a very big partisan split to me. The split would be a lot bigger on some other issues.
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Postby Grammatron » Tue May 29, 2018 11:41 pm

Pyrrho wrote:George Takei's accuser recants.

http://observer.com/2018/05/george-take ... s-assault/


Or no he doesn't?
https://articles.oregonlive.com/tv/2018/05/oregon_man_who_accused_george_1.amp?

Scott Brunton, the Oregon man who made headlines in late 2017 when he said "Star Trek" actor George Takei had sexually assaulted him, is challenging an Observer report that says Brunton has changed his story about the 1981 incident.

"I did not change my story," Brunton said Friday. "I'm baffled. I'm shocked."

In a phone interview Friday morning, the day after writer Shane Snow's story appeared on the Observer website, Brunton says Snow "misconstrued" what Brunton told him.
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Postby Doctor X » Wed May 30, 2018 1:38 am

Snow can simply make the recording of the interview available for anyone who questions his conclusions.

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Postby Anaxagoras » Wed May 30, 2018 2:24 am

From the story (if the information about "date rape drugs" in it is to be believed), at least it seems unlikely that Takei drugged the man with anything other than just alcohol.
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Postby Skeeve » Wed Jun 13, 2018 7:26 pm

Putin suggests #MeToo movement is a media conspiracy

Vladimir Putin has spoken out against the #MeToo movement that has shaken powerful institutions around the world by revealing a pervasive culture of sexual harassment and assault – but has so far failed to find a foothold in Russia.

Echoing criticisms from the Russian establishment, Putin questioned why women were coming forward decades after the alleged attacks took place and said he believed the allegations should be addressed by the courts rather than in a media campaign. He presented it as something of a conspiracy.


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Postby Grammatron » Wed Jun 13, 2018 7:59 pm

Who gives a fuck what he thinks
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Postby Anaxagoras » Thu Jun 14, 2018 4:57 am

Interesting story I came across. Maybe you've heard about it already.

(This particular take comes from the right, and there is a bit of gloating.)

Is it unethical for a reporter to sleep with a source? Her source may end up in jail in this case:

https://amgreatness.com/2018/06/13/moms ... i-watkins/

Web of Deceit
Ali Watkins, 26, is a New York Times reporter mentioned in a federal indictment handed down last week against a former staffer for the congressional committee who is investigating the Trump-Russia collusion conspiracy. James Wolfe, 58, was the head of security for the Senate Intelligence Committee until last December; his main job was to protect classified information.
You can probably guess that he didn't do his job very well.
While Watkins was a college intern at a D.C. news organization, the two started having an affair that lasted more than three years. Wolfe was interviewed by federal officials as part of the FBI’s ongoing investigation into criminal leaks of classified information to the media. When he was asked about his relationship and contact with Watkins and other reporters, he lied. He is now charged with three counts of making a false statement to a government agency.

But the indictment and follow-up reporting reveal some interesting, if not alarming, tidbits. Watkins’s sex-for-scoops arrangement allegedly began when she was an intern at McClatchy in 2013; she went to work there full-time after her graduation from Temple University in 2014. That same year, Watkins and two other reporters were Pulitzer Prize finalists for their “timely coverage of the Senate Intelligence Committee’s report on CIA torture, demonstrating initiative and perseverance in overcoming government efforts to hide the details.” Of course, we now know she was carrying on with Wolfe at the time. Some initiative. Some perseverance.

That propelled Watkins to the newsrooms of some of the most influential media organizations in the country, including BuzzFeed, Politico, and the Times, where she covered national security issues often related to the committee’s work. (In an interview with her alma mater earlier this year after her ascendancy to the Times, Watkins attributed her success to “showing up at the odd hours when no one else is showing up. Showing up all the time and eventually running into somebody who knows something.”)

I guess she really knew how to pump her sources for information.
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Postby Doctor X » Thu Jun 14, 2018 6:06 am

She was on her knees working her fingers to the bone, Anax, for Your First Amendment!

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Postby Anaxagoras » Thu Jun 14, 2018 7:03 am

She had a deft touch when it came to eliciting sensitive materials from her subjects.

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