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Post by Doctor X » Thu Jun 14, 2018 8:48 am

I would say that she should have insisted that he withdraw, or at least protect herself, but it seems it blew up in her face nonetheless.

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Re: #MeToo (generic)....

Post by Anaxagoras » Thu Jun 14, 2018 9:13 am

Are you saying that she was an overeager beaver?
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Post by Doctor X » Thu Jun 14, 2018 9:39 am

I am just saying if you are a public bicycle, you need to put a cover on your seat.

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Post by Skeeve » Thu Jun 14, 2018 11:12 am

Anaxagoras wrote:She had a deft touch when it came to eliciting sensitive materials from her subjects.

What's wrong with a reporter being dogged in pursuit of a good story?
Moms to Daughters: Don’t Be Ali Watkins
The case of Ali Watkins offers mothers an opening to have an uncomfortable yet necessary conversation with their daughters:

Don’t sleep your way to the top.
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Post by Skeeve » Mon Jul 02, 2018 2:59 am

Not entirely a Title IX college story....
False college rape allegation ‘destroyed’ my life: suit
A Long Island woman’s unsubstantiated rape allegation after a drunken night in an upstate frat house has “destroyed” a New Jersey man’s life, he says in a $6 million lawsuit.

Catherine Reddington, 22, has claimed repeatedly via social media that Alex Goldman raped her following a party in April last year at Syracuse University's Delta Kappa Epsilon fraternity in upstate New York.
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A months-long investigation, which included a medical exam, rape kit and bloodwork within 26 hours of the incident, found no evidence Reddington was assaulted, drugged or even had a sexual encounter with Goldman, according to court papers and the District Attorney.
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Investigators found it “impossible to determine what, if anything, occurred that evening between Ms. Reddington and Mr. Goldman. There is no credible proof of any sexual conduct in this case, consensual or non-consensual,” an assistant district attorney wrote in a November 2017 letter, attached to Goldman’s lawsuit, explaining why Goldman was never charged.
So this THOT decides to do "trial by facebook"...
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Reddington slammed the DA’s letter on Facebook, calling it “disgusting.”

But Reddington’s accusations were enough to get Goldman booted from Syracuse in the fall, he claims. The school said it followed state and federal law in handling the complaint but declined to say why Goldman was expelled.
Thank you Barry (no balls) Obama, and the Fucking "dear colleague" letter...
Now Reddington’s social-media posts targeting Goldman’s new school and employer show she’s out to “publicly tarnish his reputation and wreak havoc on his personal life and that of his family,” he says in his Brooklyn Federal Court defamation lawsuit.

Reddington posted Goldman’s picture, and links to his Facebook and LinkedIn profiles, in lengthy messages detailing the alleged assault, and accuses him of being a serial rapist. She added a #MeToo hashtag and linked to his current school, the New Jersey Institute of Technology.
I do hope he sues her into the stone age....and Syracuse University too!

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Reddington also left a review on the New Jersey Institute of Technology's Facebook page - the school Goldman now attends - accusing the school of accepting rapists
Oh goody, NJIT can sue her too.
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Post by Skeeve » Wed Jul 04, 2018 8:16 pm

Girl made false accusation of rape after her ex-boyfriend rejected her
A teenage girl falsely accused ex-boyfriend of drugging and raping her when he refused to rekindle their romance, a court heard.
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When she was taken to a clinic for an examination, her story started to change as she admitted she hadn't been drugged.

Sandover admitted she made it all up when her family began to question the story.

She admitted a charge of wasting police time at Salisbury Magistrates' Court, Wiltshire.

Prosecutor Ryan Seneviratine said: "Miss Sandover is extremely lucky that she didn't get charged with perverting the course of justice, only due to her age and the fact she has no previous convictions.
This happened last May.

Fast forward to June, what was her punishment for "wasting police time?"
Teenager, 18, who lied that her ex-boyfriend drugged and raped her is fined £200 for wasting police time
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She admitted a charge of wasting police time at Salisbury Magistrates' Court, Wiltshire, and was given a four-month suspended sentence.

Sandover was also given a restraining order stopping her from contacting her former lover for two years, ordered to pay £200 in compensation and complete up to 15 days of rehabilitation activity requirement.
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'Her ex-boyfriend has said his confidence in approaching girls has been completely ruined.

'He was kept in custody for five-and-a-half hours and underwent intimate tests.

'And all because she wanted to get back at him.
That fella is lucky not to be in prison right now...where it can get a lot more "intimate."

This sends a message, the wrong message, that if you are caught in a lie like this, you just pay a fine.
Every false rape accuser makes it that much harder for a person who was raped to be believed and helped.

Hannah should have been punished a bit more severely IMHO. YMMV
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Post by Skeeve » Thu Jul 05, 2018 5:04 pm

And another....
TMZ: Raiders cornerback Gareon Conley sues woman who accused him of rape
In 2017, Conley became one of the big stories of the draft when he was accused of raping a woman weeks before the draft. The investigation was ongoing during the draft, and Conley — considered one of the top cornerback prospects in the class — fell a bit amid the uncertainty. The Raiders took him 24th overall.
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TMZ cited court documents in its story, and said Conley claims the accuser “aggressively tried to have sex with him during the night in question” but he turned her down, she was embarrassed and then she lied to officials out of spite.

The incident in question happened on April 9 last year in Cleveland. Conley met a woman and she accused him of having sex with her after she told him to stop. No charges were ever brought and Conley was cleared after a long investigation. In court documents for his lawsuit, TMZ said Conley accused her of “malicious criminal prosecution.”
I thought you could only accuse a prosecutor of "malicious prosecution."
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Post by gnome » Thu Jul 05, 2018 10:38 pm

Is this a repository of all false accusations?
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Post by Nyarlathotep » Thu Jul 05, 2018 10:47 pm

gnome wrote:Is this a repository of all false accusations?
Because the existance of any false accusations proves all accusations as false.

Duh
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Post by Abdul Alhazred » Thu Jul 05, 2018 11:17 pm

gnome wrote:Is this a repository of all false accusations?
That is my impression.

True accusations elsewhere.
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Post by Skeeve » Sun Jul 08, 2018 11:52 am

gnome wrote:Is this a repository of all false accusations?
No. The TITLE IX - related false accusations get their own thread.
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gnome wrote:Is this a repository of all false accusations?
Because the existance of any false accusations proves all accusations as false.

Duh
No. That would by your straw man Nyarl...


Seriously though. Every false rape accuser (when caught at it) just makes it that much harder for a person who was raped to be believed, and helped.

When they are NOT caught, some poor guy may end up in prison.
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Post by Skeeve » Mon Jul 09, 2018 2:56 pm

Women are hard-wired to find well-meaning sexist men MORE attractive because they think they will be protected and provided for, finds study
In a study women preferred men who were chivalrous or protective

Those men were rated more attractive then those who treated women as equals

Scientists say it may be hard-wired to prefer a mate who is willing to provide

Even staunch feminists showed the same pattern of attraction
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Post by gnome » Mon Jul 09, 2018 10:10 pm

I'm not sure why that's groundbreaking. Even in the face of invented culture, instinct remains. Is instinct always right? Should we give up on civilization and go back to tribalism?
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Post by RCC: Act II » Mon Jul 09, 2018 11:20 pm

gnome wrote:I'm not sure why that's groundbreaking. Even in the face of invented culture, instinct remains. Is instinct always right? Should we give up on civilization and go back to tribalism?
Unfair take #1: Reading it again, maybe he's amazed because he thinks "staunch feminist" = "lesbian."

Unfair take #2: Isn't what he's describing white knight stuff that flies in the face of MRA bullshit about women being attracted to assholes so being nice gets you friend-zoned and such?

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Post by Nyarlathotep » Mon Jul 09, 2018 11:23 pm

gnome wrote:. Is instinct always right? Should we give up on civilization and go back to tribalism?
Too late. We already have
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Post by Doctor X » Tue Jul 10, 2018 12:26 am

We do not have to go that far back, just stop when we had Temple Prostitutes.

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Post by Skeeve » Wed Jul 11, 2018 8:45 pm

Lebanese tourist sentenced to eight years in prison for Facebook post against Egypt by Reuters Saturday, 7 July 2018 13:33 GMT
CAIRO, July 7 (Reuters) - A Lebanese tourist who was arrested last month for posting a video on Facebook complaining of sexual harassment and conditions in Egypt was sentenced to eight years in prison by a Cairo court on Saturday, her lawyer told Reuters.
Oh my, it looks like #metoo does not go over very well in some places....
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Post by Nyarlathotep » Wed Jul 11, 2018 9:16 pm

Yeah, what a loser complaining of sexual harassment and getting jailed for it. That'll learn her.

We should totally treat women more like Egypt and other such countries do. Amirite?
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Post by Doctor X » Wed Jul 11, 2018 10:57 pm

Nyarlathotep wrote:We should totally treat women more like Egypt and other such countries do. Amirite?
Check your privilege Nyar and kindly stop imposing your Dead White Male Culture upon People of Colour.

Besides, it is all about the right to fuck reviewers of your video games and cease the depiction of womyn as heterosexist rape dolls.

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Post by Anaxagoras » Thu Jul 12, 2018 6:16 am

Skeeve wrote:Women are hard-wired to find well-meaning sexist men MORE attractive because they think they will be protected and provided for, finds study
In a study women preferred men who were chivalrous or protective

Those men were rated more attractive then those who treated women as equals

Scientists say it may be hard-wired to prefer a mate who is willing to provide

Even staunch feminists showed the same pattern of attraction
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So chivalry = "well meaning sexism"?

I'm not a big fan of the Daily Fail so I looked for the original study. Unfortunately only the abstract appears to be available for free. The rest is behind a pay wall.

http://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10. ... 7218781000
Abstract

Benevolent sexism (BS) has detrimental effects on women, yet women prefer men with BS attitudes over those without. The predominant explanation for this paradox is that women respond to the superficially positive appearance of BS without being aware of its subtly harmful effects. We propose an alternative explanation drawn from evolutionary and sociocultural theories on mate preferences: Women find BS men attractive because BS attitudes and behaviors signal that a man is willing to invest. Five studies showed that women prefer men with BS attitudes (Studies 1a, 1b, and 3) and behaviors (Studies 2a and 2b), especially in mating contexts, because BS mates are perceived as willing to invest (protect, provide, and commit). Women preferred BS men despite also perceiving them as patronizing and undermining. These findings extend understanding of women’s motives for endorsing BS and suggest that women prefer BS men despite having awareness of the harmful consequences.
Keywords benevolent sexism, mate preferences, romantic relationships, social role theory, parental investment theory
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OK, that makes sense to me, and in my own experience it seems to be true. Women generally do respond well to chivalry (aka "benevolent sexism") for the reasons stated as above.

Of course, the above abstract doesn't go into any detail about the "detrimental effects" of benevolent sexism, however there is a Wikipedia article that covers the topic if anyone is interested:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ambivalent_sexism

See also here:
https://www.themuse.com/advice/women-ar ... rts-us-all
For example, a few years ago, I was at our office’s holiday party. A male co-worker, let’s call him John, baked and brought a pecan pie. Our director tasted it, then cheerfully walked around the rest of the party exclaiming, “You have to try John’s pie. It’s so good. And he made it himself! His wife didn’t even help!”

This is a particularly good example of benevolent sexism because it’s efficient at insulting both men and women. Sure, the director was complimenting John’s cooking, but that doesn’t mean that the comment isn’t sexist. Moreover,the problem isn’t just that the director has an archaic view of which sex handles the cooking. What was more alarming, to me, was that this comment—combined with a variety of others spewed from this director’s mouth—revealed an underlying assumption about what women and men are capable of and good at. And that assumption would play a part of the director’s business decisions, from performance reviews to task delegation.
Anyway, I think benevolent sexism sometimes does have detrimental effects, for both sexes, but it's a double-edged sword. It has upsides as well as downsides, and for many people including apparently most of the women in this study, the upsides tend to outweigh the downsides.
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