Military action in North Korea: yes or no

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Re: Military action in North Korea: yes or no

Postby corplinx » Sun Feb 11, 2018 2:58 am

Anaxagoras wrote:So now Dr. Cha is out of consideration for Ambassador, he has published an editorial about how to deal with North Korea in the Washington Post:

Victor Cha: Giving North Korea a ‘bloody nose’ carries a huge risk to Americans

It's basically a hawkish approach he recommends, but not a preemptive strike.

Another piece says that McMaster is the one pushing for a preemptive strike


People really aren't seeing the big picture. Whether its the military parade (which is really about reminding the world ::cough:: kim jong) about how powerful the US is without launching a war.

Or Pence/etc at the Olympics.

We know how Trump's mind works, there is a book on it. Deal from a position of strength.

Not necessarily hawkish, but establish dominance.

Rambling thoughts as I've watched the media react like stupid hicks to Pence and NK at the olympics as if every move isn't carefully choreographed on both sides.

We also have to have "leaks" that state we aren't opposed to a first strike in order to establish that strong position.

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Re: Military action in North Korea: yes or no

Postby Pyrrho » Sun Feb 11, 2018 2:50 pm

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Re: Military action in North Korea: yes or no

Postby Anaxagoras » Mon Mar 12, 2018 3:38 am

National Review editorial:

Don’t Meet with Kim

If President Trump indeed conceives of his presidency as a reality-TV show, he pulled off his greatest cliff-hanging plot device yet with his quick agreement to meet with North Korean dictator Kim Jong Un.

This is stunning improvisatory diplomacy and also, we believe, a very bad idea. North Korean leaders have long sought summits with American presidents as the ultimate means of international legitimacy. And what has Kim done to deserve this honor? Over the last nine months or so, he murdered Otto Warmbier, threatened Guam, and launched multiple missile tests, including two that flew over Japan.

Kim reached out for a meeting with Trump via South Korean intermediaries with hazy assurances he is willing to discuss denuclearization. The gambit may reflect the squeeze Pyongyang is feeling from sanctions that the Trump administration has, to its credit, steadily ratcheted up. But it is also straight from the regime’s playbook. Its pattern over the decades has been to buy time and get relief from sanctions, while continuing to pursue its core strategic goal of developing nuclear weapons and an advanced missile capability.

The North may believe that Trump is an easy mark for the latest iteration of this approach. The president is not given to extensive preparation or attention to detail, and his recent White House meetings on immigration and guns demonstrate a negotiator who is eager to tell his interlocutors what they want to hear, even if it is counter to his administration’s policy. Trump will be under pressure from South Korea and from his State Department to be conciliatory, and the temptation to get an agreement, any agreement, to wave around as an against-the-odds diplomatic achievement will be considerable.

If such a meeting comes off — and there is still some significant chance that it won’t — the U.S. will have to be carefully prepared. It will have to resist playing by North Korea’s rules in terms of venue and parameters, be willing to bring up items that are a surprise to the North Korean side, and be ready to declare the negotiations a failure without notice, accompanied by new punitive measures. And do all this while engaging in alliance maintenance, knowing that the North desperately wants to split us from the South.

This, in short, is an extraordinarily taxing diplomatic task, with very little upside. The chances of the North’s being willing to give up its nuclear weapons in a verifiable manner are extremely slim. The best case may be that Trump demonstrates that he is willing to talk, yet gets nowhere, building the case for even sterner measures to pressure and isolate the regime. It is encouraging that the administration says its policy of maximum pressure remains in place — so at least it is not repeating George W. Bush’s mistake of preemptive concessions — but it would be even better if it were thinking of a way out of the commitment to a meeting.

The North Korean regime isn’t to be underestimated. It has been playing this game for decades as if its existence depends on it — because it does.


Me personally, I don't know. My instinct is that the Norks are not genuinely interested in a real peace deal, but only a temporary detente which they would use to clandestinely advance their weapons program. If that's the case, there seems to be very little upside to a summit. On the off chance that I'm wrong, maybe there is a possible upside to this deal. If somehow Trump does make significant, lasting progress, I will happily sing hosannas for him. More likely though is that they're just trying to get a repeat of the "Sunshine Policy" debacle without giving up their weapons.
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Re: Military action in North Korea: yes or no

Postby Doctor X » Mon Mar 12, 2018 6:44 am

The National Review has been butt-hurt since Reagan died.

Like Trump cannot act friendly to someone one day, and then throw him under the bus the next.

He will go through the motions. If the Lone Fat-Boy--here, Anax, take toke on spark Mo this--actually halts his nuculer [Stop that.--Ed.] weapons production . . . and PONIES!!!! :hyper:--then Trump will declare a well-deserved victory then dump him the second the Lone Fat-Boy displeases him.

If nothing happens, Trump will conclude that he "did his best, I listened to the Chuck Schumers who wanted dialogue," and continue.

He will claim that his sanctions brought the Lone Fat-Boy to the table in the first place. Even LIBERALLLTRUMP IMPEACH media has been muttering about "blind squirrel" on this.

I mean, it is not like he is going to give the rest of our uranium to him. . . .

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Re: Military action in North Korea: yes or no

Postby Anaxagoras » Wed Mar 28, 2018 2:50 am

Little Kim makes an unannounced visit to China:

Kim Jong Un Is Willing to Hold Summit With U.S., China Says

China confirmed Wednesday that Kim Jong Un met with President Xi Jinping on a surprise visit to Beijing, and said the North Korean leader would be willing to give up his nuclear weapons and hold a summit with the U.S.

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“The issue of denuclearization of the Korean Peninsula can be resolved, if South Korea and the United States respond to our efforts with goodwill, create an atmosphere of peace and stability while taking progressive and synchronous measures for the realization of peace,” Kim said during the four-day visit, according to Xinhua.

Xi said that China continues to push for denuclearization of the Korean Peninsula and made four proposals to improve relations with North Korea, including maintaining frequent contact with Kim. Xi said China will continue to share friendship with North Korea as a “strategic choice” that “will not change because of any single event at a particular time.”

"We speak highly of this visit," Xi told Kim, according the Xinhua story that repeatedly referred to the two leaders as comrades.

"We are willing to work together with DPRK comrades, remain true to our original aspiration and jointly move forward, to promote long-term healthy and stable development of China-DPRK relations, benefit the two countries and two peoples, and make new contribution to regional peace, stability and development," Xi said.
Diplomatic Flurry

North Korea’s state-run Korean Central News Agency also confirmed the meeting, but didn’t specifically mention denuclearization or the planned summit with Trump. It was his first known visit outside the country since taking power in 2011.

Kim Jong Un invited Xi to make an official visit to the North Korea "at a convenient time" and the invitation was accepted "with pleasure," KCNA said.

Bloomberg News first reported Kim’s arrival in the Chinese capital Monday.

The visit comes amid a diplomatic flurry in Asia as leaders jockey for face time with Kim and seek to defuse tensions over North Korea’s nuclear weapons program: He’s due to have a summit with South Korean President Moon Jae-in in April, and potentially meet U.S. President Donald Trump before the end of May, while Japan’s prime minister has indicated he’d like to talk.
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Re: Military action in North Korea: yes or no

Postby Abdul Alhazred » Wed Mar 28, 2018 1:41 pm

Analysis: The Chinese authorities want (and will have) a de-nuclearized Korea, but don't want to embarrass Kim too much.
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Re: Military action in North Korea: yes or no

Postby sparks » Wed Mar 28, 2018 4:25 pm

In that case, we'd better nuke 'em now while they still have nukes so that.....




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Re: Military action in North Korea: yes or no

Postby Pyrrho » Fri Apr 27, 2018 10:13 am

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Re: Military action in North Korea: yes or no

Postby gnome » Fri Apr 27, 2018 12:11 pm

sparks wrote:In that case, we'd better nuke 'em now while they still have nukes so that.....




Wait.


We cannot afford for them to have a nuclear gap!
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Re: Military action in North Korea: yes or no

Postby Witness » Fri Apr 27, 2018 1:22 pm



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