Military action in North Korea: yes or no

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Re: Military action in North Korea: yes or no

Postby Doctor X » Wed Dec 27, 2017 9:59 am

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Re: Military action in North Korea: yes or no

Postby RCC: Act II » Wed Dec 27, 2017 2:24 pm

Abdul Alhazred wrote:It's what Trump is doing and nobody been nuked yet. :)

I do not believe the Chinese want this trouble. They just need to find a way that preserves historical prestige.


Historical prestige is less of an issue than uncorking a pressurized container of a massive humanitarian disaster that is pointing at their border.

The Chinese government is well served by the status quo. They aren't the ones that get nuked if the DPRK goes postal, and if the US is the one that blows open the bottle with military force they get to take the moral high ground and blame the "warmongering US" when dealing with the crisis that would have happened anyway.

The Chinese have little reason to do other than make limp statements/gestures praising diplomacy and let the US twist in the wind about a problem with no clear solution.

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Re: Military action in North Korea: yes or no

Postby Doctor X » Wed Dec 27, 2017 4:05 pm

China is the one dealing with a few million refugees pouring across the border.

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Re: Military action in North Korea: yes or no

Postby ed » Wed Dec 27, 2017 4:13 pm

At what point do we take military action?

Suppose the Norks say that they have a 300 mile limit and start enforcing it? Suppose they nukes into the sea withing their 300 mi limit for testing? Suppose they demand a cessation of our manu8vers with the south and detonate a dirty bomb in the sea lanes that would be used for such manuvers?

I gues the question is how far should we be willing to kick the can? At what point is force to be used or do we "Obama" and write red lines?
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Re: Military action in North Korea: yes or no

Postby Rob Lister » Wed Dec 27, 2017 4:46 pm

Let's find out. Demand the immediate return of the USS Pueblo.

Seriously. It's our property.

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Re: Military action in North Korea: yes or no

Postby ed » Wed Dec 27, 2017 4:49 pm

OK.

My point is that there is a lot they can do that is shy of a balls out military attack. The question is to we have to accept first blood?
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Re: Military action in North Korea: yes or no

Postby Rob Lister » Wed Dec 27, 2017 4:52 pm

ed wrote:OK.

My point is that there is a lot they can do that is shy of a balls out military attack. The question is to we have to accept first blood?


Do you think I'm being glib? I'm serious.

First blood was drawn by them in 1968 with the capture of the USS Pueblo.

The seizure of the U.S. Navy ship and its 83 crew members, one of whom was killed in the attack, came less than a week after President Lyndon B. Johnson's State of the Union address to the United States Congress, a week before the start of the Tet Offensive in South Vietnam during the Vietnam War, and three days after 31 men of North Korea's KPA Unit 124 had crossed the Korean Demilitarized Zone (DMZ) and killed 26 South Koreans in an attempt to attack the South Korean Blue House (executive mansion) in the capital Seoul. The taking of Pueblo and the abuse and torture of its crew during the subsequent 11-month prisoner drama became a major Cold War incident, raising tensions between the western democracies and the Soviet Union and China.


We were a little busy at the time. It got pushed aside. The trouble ticket is still active. Let's take care of this. We have no other pressing issues and this is in our work queue.

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Re: Military action in North Korea: yes or no

Postby RCC: Act II » Wed Dec 27, 2017 5:34 pm

ed wrote:OK.

My point is that there is a lot they can do that is shy of a balls out military attack. The question is to we have to accept first blood?


We are all clicking buttons.

I'm not entirely unconvinced that if the US military left the peninsula, North Korea wouldn't realize that it can barely take care of itself much less pull off an invasion and not really do anything and then collapse because the majority of their national identity is forcing out the US so it can reunify.

Or it might invade and kill everyone. Or resort to random Dr. Evil style nuclear blackmail to pay the bills. Who knows.

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Re: Military action in North Korea: yes or no

Postby RCC: Act II » Wed Dec 27, 2017 5:36 pm

Rob Lister wrote:Let's find out. Demand the immediate return of the USS Pueblo.

Seriously. It's our property.

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It would be such a transparent pretense for war that we might as well claim they are blowing up radio transmitters.

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Re: Military action in North Korea: yes or no

Postby Rob Lister » Wed Dec 27, 2017 6:21 pm

RCC: Act II wrote:
Rob Lister wrote:Let's find out. Demand the immediate return of the USS Pueblo.

Seriously. It's our property.

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It would be such a transparent pretense for war that we might as well claim they are blowing up radio transmitters.


If Bush can do it for bad reasons that don't exist (iraq, wmd), Trump can do it for good ones that do. There it is. A fucking picture of it. Let's get it back.
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Re: Military action in North Korea: yes or no

Postby Abdul Alhazred » Wed Dec 27, 2017 6:24 pm

What's with Lister?

A USS Pueblo irredentist? I didn't even know there were any of those.

At least Woodrow Wilson didn't wait 50 years to get pissy about the Lusitania. :p
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Re: Military action in North Korea: yes or no

Postby Rob Lister » Wed Dec 27, 2017 6:34 pm

Abdul Alhazred wrote:What's with Lister?

A USS Pueblo irredentist? I didn't even know there were any of those.

At least Woodrow Wilson didn't wait 50 years to get pissy about the Lusitania. :p


It's ours. There is no statute of limitations of piracy or murder or torture.

I'm giving ed an in.

I'm willing to let them off easy. Return it by Friday, 29 December, or the rockets fly and turn it into dust.

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Re: Military action in North Korea: yes or no

Postby RCC: Act II » Wed Dec 27, 2017 6:36 pm

Rob Lister wrote:
If Bush can do it for bad reasons that don't exist (iraq, wmd), Trump can do it for good ones that do. There it is.


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Re: Military action in North Korea: yes or no

Postby ed » Wed Dec 27, 2017 6:40 pm

Rob, how about it? You and me?

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Re: Military action in North Korea: yes or no

Postby Rob Lister » Wed Dec 27, 2017 9:14 pm

I'm in. I just need to get my uniform tailored a bit. Let the seams out and such.

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Re: Military action in North Korea: yes or no

Postby sparks » Thu Dec 28, 2017 12:31 am

General question for the board: If we strategically turned the norks into a sheet of glass, with or without provocation, what do you really thing the Chinks would do? What could they do without turning the entire Planet(tm) into a radioactive hell? They're Commie Chinks, but they're not stupid.

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Re: Military action in North Korea: yes or no

Postby Rob Lister » Thu Dec 28, 2017 12:37 am

Put down the bottle.

Or the keyboard.

Whichever you love least at the moment.

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Re: Military action in North Korea: yes or no

Postby sparks » Thu Dec 28, 2017 12:41 am

Evasion noted.

And, no. It's still Umerca Rob.

It's a legit question whether you chose to see it as such or not.


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Re: Military action in North Korea: yes or no

Postby Anaxagoras » Thu Dec 28, 2017 12:53 am

Rob Lister wrote:
Abdul Alhazred wrote:What's with Lister?

A USS Pueblo irredentist? I didn't even know there were any of those.

At least Woodrow Wilson didn't wait 50 years to get pissy about the Lusitania. :p


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I'm giving ed an in.

I'm willing to let them off easy. Return it by Friday, 29 December, or the rockets fly and turn it into dust.


Unfortunately there is a statute of limitations. An unwritten one, but you can't let something slide for 50 years and then say "ackchyually".

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Re: Military action in North Korea: yes or no

Postby Doctor X » Thu Dec 28, 2017 1:16 am

"Remember the Pueblo."

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