Debating with Neo-Nazis

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Re: Debating with Neo-Nazis

Post by Rob Lister » Mon Jan 01, 2018 1:35 pm

Abdul Alhazred wrote:If you search for this guy's posts in an earlier thread, you will find someone who got his ass kicked over "Holocaust revisionism".

Start here:
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Re: Debating with Neo-Nazis

Post by RCC: Act II » Mon Jan 01, 2018 2:45 pm

ed wrote:You leave my pal RC Mk2 alone. He makes wonderful points. AND can stomach biscuits and gravy.

n.b. that is the one thing I cannot wrap my head around.
The breakfast of choice at the Saturday Hillbilly Algonquin Round Table these days is the "Big Tator," which is worse.

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Re: Debating with Neo-Nazis

Post by ed » Mon Jan 01, 2018 3:45 pm

There is a joint here on the Cahulawassee River that is called The Roo Bar, why Roo noone knows. This is Florida. Anyway, they have the Tater Bomb:

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Here
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Tater Bomb
Crispy tater tots topped with our homemade BBQ pulled pork, bacon bits, cheddar jack-cheese, scallions & our famous BBQ sauce.
Probably bad for you.
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Re: Debating with Neo-Nazis

Post by RCC: Act II » Mon Jan 01, 2018 3:58 pm

ed wrote:
Probably bad for you.
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The pro move would be to put that whole mess on a bed of lettuce so it magically becomes a healthy salad w/ their special BBQ sauce dressing.

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Post by Pyrrho » Mon Jan 01, 2018 5:02 pm

Slyman's is the local place to go.

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Re: Debating with Neo-Nazis

Post by Doctor X » Mon Jan 01, 2018 7:38 pm

Move to "First."

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Re: Debating with Neo-Nazis

Post by tempta » Mon Jan 01, 2018 9:09 pm

Doctor X wrote:Than the "left" that engages in racism?

How peculiar times four?
The difference between the right and the left is that the left strives not to be racist, hence the emphasis on political correctness. The right generally tends to not care about being PC and are more open to racist conspiracy theories.
Indubitably, as do most who do not bother to think about things and merely spout slogans as if spouting makes them true. Nevertheless, why does it become your business?
Because he's trying to convince me to change my perceptions on the Jewish people.
The Sicilian Mafia, and, most apt, they restricted membership to Sicilians.
Italians could not become "made" men: "a friend of ours."

So he sort of undercuts himself right there, does he not?
I think the Italian mafia comparison is a demonstrative example of a racially-centered group of conspirators, which he is alleging the "Jews" to be.
Which, given her failure with respect to actual science and reality, sort of ends it right there.
I'm fairly certain it depended on actual lineage. For example, if you are 1/4 Jew, you were allowed to join the Nazis, while 1/2 Jews were not and required to attend separate schools from non-Jews.
Or he is just a mercenary blow-hard who bends in the direction the money flows. Nevertheless, his very decades presence sort of sank that particular conspiracy theory.
He is now is claiming that Fox News is "controlled opposition", and that Murdoch never particularly cared about the right or left to begin with. He alleges that controlled oppositions are generally pro-Israel and do everything but address the Jews in American media. He also cites that Murdoch is possibly a "crypto-Jew" (whatever that is) based on his mother's surname, Greene, which is a common Jewish surname along the likes of Gold and Zucker.

Either way, he appears to be looked at favorably among Jewish communities, being one of the most prominently mentioned non-Jews with positive influence in the Jewish community, and has received multiple endorsements from Jewish organizations such as the Anti-Defamation League (ADL) and the American Jewish Committee. So I take back my initial comment about him being a neo-nazi. According to my friend, he is what you call a "Zionist", who puts Israel first and America second. (He has not explained why the liberal media is anti-Israel :roll: )
“This is the soft war that seeks to isolate Israel by delegitimizing it," Murdoch told attendees at the New York dinner where he was bestowed the ADL International Leadership Award. "The battle ground is everywhere – the media, multinational organizations, NGOs. In this war, the aim is to make Israel a pariah.”

https://www.haaretz.com/jewish/acceptin ... s-1.319145
James Murdoch, the CEO of 21st Century Fox and son of conservative media magnate Rupert Murdoch, ripped President Trump's response to violence in Charlottesville, Va., last weekend, also pledging a $1 million donation to the Anti-Defamation League (ADL).

http://thehill.com/media/347052-fox-ceo ... ion-league
The ADL is apparently an organization that monitors anti-semitism in the United States, and is most well known for declaring Pepe the Frog as a hate symbol.
The Anti-Defamation League (ADL; formerly known as the Anti-Defamation League of B'nai B'rith) is an international Jewish non-governmental organization based in the United States. Describing itself as "the nation's premier civil rights/human relations agency," the ADL states that it "fights anti-Semitism and all forms of bigotry, defends democratic ideals and protects civil rights for all", doing so through "information, education, legislation, and advocacy."[1][2]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Defamation_League
He also claims that Alex Jones is controlled opposition, who acts as a "safety net" for conspiracy theorists that seek to gather information outside of the "mainstream media". He bases this on the fact that Jones never "names the Jew" :roll: , and that he's an admitted Jew himself according to a clip of his livestream on Youtube.


I do not engage in pointless twitter arguments. "Someone" may, indeed, "be wrong on the Internet," but one can always close ones door to such foolishness.

So I return to the Question Ordinary: "why?" If he is "no longer a friend," why bother?

Then the Question Extraordinary remains: your explanation as to why you basically believed the Earth is flat. One can not so easily dismiss a belief that, given the rather definitive evidences--thanks--to the contrary, one can only hold if one is a racist. People may change, but reputations take more time.
I think the main problem he has is that the Jewish over representation itself is often treated as a myth. For example, last year Prince Charles was revealed to be an anti-Semite after it was discovered that he had written a letter in which he mentioned a "Jewish lobby" within the United States, which most media outlets responded critically against.

Here's an example from Newsweek:
Prince Charles Blamed Foreign Jews and Powerful 'Jewish Lobby' for Conflict in the Middle East

Britain’s Prince Charles blamed “foreign Jews” for the conflict in the Middle East and called on the United States to “take on the Jewish lobby,” according to a letter he wrote in 1986.

“Surely some US president has to have the courage to stand up and take on the Jewish lobby in the US?” the prince asked in the letter.

Jewish commentators were quick to criticize the prince for what they deemed anti-Semitic rhetoric, especially the reference to the Jewish lobby, and considered an anti-Semitic trope that implies Jews wield a disproportionate amount of influence around the world.

“To me, the ‘Jewish lobby’ is one of the anti-Semitic themes that have endured for centuries. It is this myth there are these very powerful Jews who control foreign policy or the media or banks or whatever,” Stephen Pollard, editor of The Jewish Chronicle, wrote in response to the prince’s letter.

http://www.newsweek.com/prince-charles- ... ews-709365
I think he's trying to suggest that the Jewish lobby is a combination of Jewish watchdog organizations such as the ADL, the media, and other powerful Jews in general that conspire to influence the government for "Jewish interests", which is racist.

However there does appear to be a trend of Jewish communities worldwide pushing for immigration, according to a bunch of articles from the Jewish Telegraphic Agency (JTA), however none of it proves that they're working together. At the very least, it shows that Jewish people are kind people that look out for other races.
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Re: Debating with Neo-Nazis

Post by Paulie Cicero » Mon Jan 01, 2018 9:13 pm

Mafia? Racist? What racist? We had the Irish in there and even a couple Sicilians. We woulda let Stacks in but he was late.

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Re: Debating with Neo-Nazis

Post by tempta » Mon Jan 01, 2018 9:21 pm

Paulie Cicero wrote:Mafia? Racist? What racist? We had the Irish in there and even a couple Sicilians. We woulda let Stacks in but he was late.
Are you disputing that organizations, criminal or not, can have a concentration of a specific race/nationality? :?

What about the Yakuza? At the very least, their roots are undeniably Japanese. That's the parallel that's being drawn here.

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Re: Debating with Neo-Nazis

Post by Doctor X » Mon Jan 01, 2018 9:34 pm

The dodge of My Question Ordinary did not pass unnoticed.

First.



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Re: Debating with Neo-Nazis

Post by Tommy D » Mon Jan 01, 2018 9:37 pm

He's prejudiced, Pauli.

Can you believe that?
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Re: Debating with Neo-Nazis

Post by tempta » Mon Jan 01, 2018 9:59 pm

Tommy D wrote:He's prejudiced, Pauli.

Can you believe that?
Where was I being prejudiced, exactly? I'm merely acknowledging that organizations, of all kinds, can have a concentration of a particular race/ethnicity. I'm not saying that it exists, because it absolutely does not...

Basically, I'm looking for an explanation for the over representation that doesn't step into racist boundaries. It would be easy if I could just tell him the truth which is that we're all human, or Jews are white enough so drop it, but he always responds with mental gymnastics about hypocrisy over affirmative action and the treatment of whites, etc.

He appears to have forgotten what happened the last time such racist ideologies gained traction.

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Re: Debating with Neo-Nazis

Post by Billy Batts » Mon Jan 01, 2018 10:03 pm

Hey Tommy!

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tempta wrote:
Tommy D wrote:He's prejudiced, Pauli.

Can you believe that?
Where was I being prejudiced, exactly? I'm merely acknowledging that organizations, of all kinds, can have a concentration of a particular race/ethnicity. I'm not saying that it exists, because it absolutely does not...

Basically, I'm looking for an explanation for the over representation that doesn't step into racist boundaries. It would be easy if I could just tell him the truth which is that we're all human, or Jews are white enough so drop it, but he always responds with mental gymnastics about hypocrisy over affirmative action and the treatment of whites, etc.

He appears to have forgotten what happened the last time such racist ideologies gained traction.
Go get your fuckin' shine box.

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Post by Tommy D » Tue Jan 02, 2018 1:18 am

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Re: Debating with Neo-Nazis

Post by Paulie Cicero » Tue Jan 02, 2018 1:27 am

Tommy D wrote:He's prejudiced, Pauli.

Can you believe that?
Prejudiced against Italians. What's the world coming to. People used to love each other, you didn't lock your doors!

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Post by Morrie » Tue Jan 02, 2018 1:32 am

Who loves ya more than me?

Like I love that half-Guinea-half-Mick!
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Re: Debating with Neo-Nazis

Post by Jimmy the Gent » Tue Jan 02, 2018 1:35 am

Morrie wrote:Who loves ya more than me?

Like I love that half-Guinea-half-Mick!
You breakin' my balls? Gimme my fuckin' money!
You trying to be a wiseguy with me?

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Post by Morrie » Tue Jan 02, 2018 1:41 am

Jimmy, can we talk?
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Re: Debating with Neo-Nazis

Post by Jimmy the Gent » Tue Jan 02, 2018 2:09 am

Yeah, we'll talk. Coffee shop over on the boulevard. They got everything there.
You trying to be a wiseguy with me?