Debating with Neo-Nazis

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Re: Debating with Neo-Nazis

Postby Morrie » Tue Jan 02, 2018 2:15 am

They got danish?
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Re: Debating with Neo-Nazis

Postby gnome » Tue Jan 02, 2018 2:34 am

tempta wrote:I think he's trying to suggest that the Jewish lobby is a combination of Jewish watchdog organizations such as the ADL, the media, and other powerful Jews in general that conspire to influence the government for "Jewish interests", which is racist.

However there does appear to be a trend of Jewish communities worldwide pushing for immigration, according to a bunch of articles from the Jewish Telegraphic Agency (JTA), however none of it proves that they're working together. At the very least, it shows that Jewish people are kind people that look out for other races.

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Really, can we at least stop the pretense that we're debating with "your friend" and not you? It's really quite silly to follow this dance.

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Re: Debating with Neo-Nazis

Postby Abdul Alhazred » Tue Jan 02, 2018 9:56 am

Somebody was awfully bored last night. :cowbell:



Meanwhile, tempta, if you're still here please read this link that you didn't read last time.

viewtopic.php?p=586322#p586322

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Re: Debating with Neo-Nazis

Postby Doctor X » Tue Jan 02, 2018 10:57 am

I will not buy this record.

It is scratched.

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Re: Debating with Neo-Nazis

Postby George Spiggott » Tue Jan 02, 2018 11:28 am

Doctor X wrote:I will not buy this record.

It is scratched.

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Re: Debating with Neo-Nazis

Postby George Spiggott » Tue Jan 02, 2018 11:32 am

Morrie wrote:They got danish?

They did before Gluttony drove in, now all's left is a few bottles of Froony's.

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Re: Debating with Neo-Nazis

Postby Stanley Moon » Tue Jan 02, 2018 11:43 am

Here, my ice lolly's melted.

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Re: Debating with Neo-Nazis

Postby Stanley Moon » Tue Jan 02, 2018 11:48 am

George Spiggott wrote:
Doctor X wrote:I will not buy this record.

It is scratched.

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Oh all right we'll give it to Stanley.


Oh, that record was new this morning.

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Re: Debating with Neo-Nazis

Postby Anaxagoras » Tue Jan 02, 2018 12:15 pm

tempta wrote:Where was I being prejudiced, exactly? I'm merely acknowledging that organizations, of all kinds, can have a concentration of a particular race/ethnicity. I'm not saying that it exists, because it absolutely does not...

Basically, I'm looking for an explanation for the over representation that doesn't step into racist boundaries. It would be easy if I could just tell him the truth which is that we're all human, or Jews are white enough so drop it, but he always responds with mental gymnastics about hypocrisy over affirmative action and the treatment of whites, etc.

He appears to have forgotten what happened the last time such racist ideologies gained traction.


You're not very good at this. Although I did notice your apparent disingenuousness from the very first post.


Debating whether Jews are white or not makes about as much sense as debating whether Christians are white. Some are, some aren't. Martin Luther King and Billy Graham are both Christians. Although my parents were at least nominally Christian, I don't consider myself to be one.

And that's all I care to say about that.
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Re: Debating with Neo-Nazis

Postby tempta » Tue Jan 02, 2018 8:48 pm

Abdul Alhazred wrote:Meanwhile, tempta, if you're still here please read this link that you didn't read last time.

viewtopic.php?p=586322#p586322

Thank you. :)


I'll look into it when I have the time.

Anaxagoras wrote:Debating whether Jews are white or not makes about as much sense as debating whether Christians are white. Some are, some aren't. Martin Luther King and Billy Graham are both Christians. Although my parents were at least nominally Christian, I don't consider myself to be one.

And that's all I care to say about that.


You're equivocating Judaism and Jews. Anyone can adopt Judaism, and identify as a Jew, but the Jewish race is a distinct bloodline, and traditionally you are identified a Jew if it is inherited maternally. It's not so simple as proclaiming to believe in Judaism. For example, you can be an Atheist Jew, like Mark Zuckerberg.

I'm not entirely sure, but I believe Israel offers free citizenship to all Jews worldwide. This probably would depend on bloodline, and I doubt they'd accept a random person from Africa who suddenly decides to become a Jew at the entrance (unless there's an application process).

Here's a good reference. 23andMe identifies "Ashkenazi Jew" as a distinct category for DNA analysis.

Why Did 23andMe Tell Ashkenazi Jews They Could Be Descended From Khazars?

The genomics company 23andMe has retracted a statement made on the profiles of some users with Ashkenazi heritage that they may be descended from an extinct tribe from the Caucasus known as the Khazars, inadvertently wading into a political-genetic debate with far-reaching implications for Jewish identity and the Palestinian-Israeli conflict. The company said in a statement that it will remove any reference to the theory from its site.

http://forward.com/news/breaking-news/3 ... m-khazars/
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23andMe has three features that can identify evidence of Jewish ancestry from your DNA:

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Paternal Haplogroup

https://customercare.23andme.com/hc/en- ... -ancestry-
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Afarian had already been diagnosed with Crohn’s disease, so she wasn’t surprised to learn that her genes put her at a much higher-than-average risk for the chronic digestive tract condition. But she was taken aback to find that 23andMe classified 48.9% of her DNA as Ashkenazi. Italy didn’t even show up on her ancestry composition. Her mother isn’t Jewish, so 48.9% had to have come from her biological father.

https://www.haaretz.com/jewish/features/1.530604

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Re: Debating with Neo-Nazis

Postby Don Logan » Tue Jan 02, 2018 9:27 pm

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Re: Debating with Neo-Nazis

Postby Papa Lazarou » Tue Jan 02, 2018 11:38 pm

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Re: Debating with Neo-Nazis

Postby Abdul Alhazred » Tue Jan 02, 2018 11:40 pm

tempta wrote:
Abdul Alhazred wrote:Meanwhile, tempta, if you're still here please read this link that you didn't read last time.

viewtopic.php?p=586322#p586322

Thank you. :)


I'll look into it when I have the time. ...


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Re: Debating with Neo-Nazis

Postby Doctor X » Tue Jan 02, 2018 11:52 pm

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Re: Debating with Neo-Nazis

Postby Don Logan » Wed Jan 03, 2018 11:08 am

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Re: Debating with Neo-Nazis

Postby Skeeve » Wed Jan 03, 2018 2:31 pm

tempta wrote:No, you guys don't get it. He's using it as an excuse to believe in a conspiracy theory that the Jews control the media. That's racist as hell.


Who ever is running the Lame Stream Media seems to be doing a piss-poor job of it...

Seriously!
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In its annual confidence poll, Gallup found that Americans' trust in the mass media "to report the news fully, accurately and fairly" reached its lowest level in polling history, with only 32 percent saying they have a great deal or fair amount of trust in the media. Trust in the establishment media did not begin with the contentious 2016 election and Donald Trump taking the stage, but after a steady decline over the past 20 years, it took its deepest dive yet, led by Republicans deep distrust of mass media.

http://wjla.com/news/nation-world/main- ... lics-trust
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Re: Debating with Neo-Nazis

Postby tempta » Wed Jan 03, 2018 9:43 pm

The one thing I'm having trouble answering is why this is happening. It's understandable that Jews, who are known to be very business-minded might help each other out, but why would they allow this over-representation to occur amidst their push for affirmative action and equal representation of groups? Is it because Jewish people are considered an oppressed minority group?

Here's a nazi propaganda picture detailing the Jewish staff at NBC, for example:

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"NBC has five divisions: Film, Cable, TV, Sports, and News. The first four of those divisions are led by a Chairman and a President. All 8 of those individuals at NBC are Jewish. The final division, News, is led by one Chairman and 3 Presidents. The Chairman is Jewish, and two of the three presidents are Jewish. The remaining president has a Jewish spouse. In other words, among the 12 people leading divisions at NBC, 11 are Jewish and the remaining one has a Jewish spouse. NBC is of course owned by Comcast, whose #1 and #2 are also Jewish."

We can see a similar pattern with CNN and The New York Times.

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These media companies appear to be treated as a family business. For example, The New York Times gets passed down the family from generation to generation.

After 25 years, New York Times publisher Sulzberger will pass job to his son

New York Times publisher Arthur O. Sulzberger Jr., who oversaw the newspaper through triumph and controversy for the past 25 years, will step down at the end of the year and hand the job to his son, Arthur Gregg Sulzberger, the company said Thursday.

The transition was expected at the Times, which has been controlled by members of the Ochs-Sulzberger family since the 1890s. The senior Sulzberger turned 66 in September, one year past the traditional retirement age for top executives at the paper. He will continue to serve as chairman of the parent New York Times Co.

http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-n ... story.html


The same can be said for Comcast (NBC):

The Heir Is Clearly Apparent at Comcast

Mr. Roberts has reason to track the way family-run companies pass the baton from one generation to next. He has five children, aged 36 to 47. Only his fourth child, Brian, is at Comcast, the nation's fourth-largest cable television operator with $4 billion in revenue last year. And by the end of this year, the elder Mr. Roberts will increase Brian's control over the company's special class of 8.8 million shares that represent nearly 82 percent of Comcast's vote. It is only natural for the world to wonder: How will Brian's siblings react to all this?

http://www.nytimes.com/1997/06/22/busin ... mcast.html


I have heard that Jewish people get both the benefits of white privilege and an oppressed minority group, by conveniently switching "races" when necessary. That's just ridiculous and too racist to fathom. That being said however, there was an example that struck me as a bit odd (and possibly unfair).

Here is a snippet from an article about the #MeToo Movement from The Daily Beast:

Of the high-profile men who have recently been accused of workplace harassment or assault, there is near uniformity in the culture they represent. The New York Times is maintaining a depressing, but useful running list of prominent people accused of sexual misconduct. They come in all ages and sexual orientations, from all sorts of professions. Their victims, too, range in age, gender, sexual orientation and race. But, with few exceptions, those accused are male, economically or professionally privileged, and white. When we refer to a cultural shift, that is the culture that must change.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/is-metoo- ... r-a-moment


Not once, was it noted, that the majority of prominent sexual harassers identified in the #MeToo Movement were in fact Jewish.

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My question would be: How should we approach this issue without being racist? Should white people take the blame for the actions of a minority group who don't consider themselves white? That would be my main question. Other than that, I don't see much of a problem.

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Re: Debating with Neo-Nazis

Postby ed » Wed Jan 03, 2018 10:05 pm

It's pretty clear that your questions are those of an anti-semite. You are not clever enough to pull off the disinterested thing.

In my experience, it is impossible, or at least not terribly rewarding, to debate with a true believer of any persuasion.

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Re: Debating with Neo-Nazis

Postby tempta » Wed Jan 03, 2018 10:14 pm

That's fair enough. I agree, actually. It's very anti-semitic and wrong. I was looking for a non-racist explanation for the over-representation (which hasn't yet been given after 4 pages), but it's really not all that interesting for someone like me who's uninterested in politics to begin with.

Some things just should not be asked.

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Re: Debating with Neo-Nazis

Postby Doctor X » Wed Jan 03, 2018 10:28 pm

First.

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