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Re: Another Trump Victory

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Re: Another Trump Victory

Post by WildCat » Fri Jan 12, 2018 7:07 pm

Democrats the last 2 years: "We can't send illegal immigrants back to the countries they came from, they're shitholes!"

Democrats today: "OMG Trump called Haiti a shithole, what a racist!"
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Re: Another Trump Victory

Post by Giz » Fri Jan 12, 2018 7:21 pm

WildCat wrote:Democrats the last 2 years: "We can't send illegal immigrants back to the countries they came from, they're shitholes!"

Democrats today: "OMG Trump called Haiti a shithole, what a racist!"
Norway and Haiti are indistinguishable. .. unless you are racist!

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Re: Another Trump Victory

Post by Grammatron » Fri Jan 12, 2018 7:22 pm

Anaxagoras wrote: If it's not true do you think the White House would issue a denial? Because I don't see any denial. Not on Trump's twitter feed, and according to the story a White House official asked for comment did not dispute it.
How about this
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Facing strong condemnation at home and abroad, U.S. President Donald Trump on Friday denied using the word “shithole” to describe Haiti and African countries, but kept up criticism of a Senate immigration plan that he said would force the United States to admit people from countries that “are doing badly.”
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Re: Another Trump Victory

Post by gnome » Fri Jan 12, 2018 7:37 pm

But he denied it so it MUST be true!!!
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Re: Another Trump Victory

Post by Abdul Alhazred » Fri Jan 12, 2018 8:34 pm

Grammatron wrote:
Abdul Alhazred wrote:Editorial in Miami Herald

So, Mr. President, would you say South Florida is a ‘shithole’ too?


Does Miami Herald editorial board know that South Florida is in America?
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Re: Another Trump Victory

Post by Grammatron » Fri Jan 12, 2018 11:45 pm

Grammatron wrote:
Anaxagoras wrote: If it's not true do you think the White House would issue a denial? Because I don't see any denial. Not on Trump's twitter feed, and according to the story a White House official asked for comment did not dispute it.
How about this
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Facing strong condemnation at home and abroad, U.S. President Donald Trump on Friday denied using the word “shithole” to describe Haiti and African countries, but kept up criticism of a Senate immigration plan that he said would force the United States to admit people from countries that “are doing badly.”
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Re: Another Trump Victory

Post by Anaxagoras » Sat Jan 13, 2018 12:54 am

Grammatron wrote:
Grammatron wrote:
Anaxagoras wrote: If it's not true do you think the White House would issue a denial? Because I don't see any denial. Not on Trump's twitter feed, and according to the story a White House official asked for comment did not dispute it.
How about this
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Facing strong condemnation at home and abroad, U.S. President Donald Trump on Friday denied using the word “shithole” to describe Haiti and African countries, but kept up criticism of a Senate immigration plan that he said would force the United States to admit people from countries that “are doing badly.”
And this.

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OK. But it seems like he allowed it to go unchallenged for too long and the denials were not soon enough or forceful enough. There were a lot of tweets and a lot of hours between that report and the vague denial ("that was not the language used" and "we don't recall the president saying these comments specifically" are less than 100% emphatic denials; like when Clinton said "I did not have sex with that woman" and then later clarified that the definition of "sex" he was using only included sexual intercourse).

I kinda wish also for the good of the country that whoever heard that hadn't gone running to the nearest reporter to say "OMG guess what Trump just said!!!1!". But he should be smarter too. The denial coming so late and so vague, I find unconvincing.
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Re: Another Trump Victory

Post by WildCat » Sat Jan 13, 2018 12:55 am

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Re: Another Trump Victory

Post by Anaxagoras » Sat Jan 13, 2018 12:59 am

A "shit show" is like a FUBAR. It refers to a situation in the country, not the country itself.
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Re: Another Trump Victory

Post by Grammatron » Sat Jan 13, 2018 1:03 am

Anaxagoras wrote: OK. But it seems like he allowed it to go unchallenged for too long and the denials were not soon enough or forceful enough. There were a lot of tweets and a lot of hours between that report and the vague denial ("that was not the language used" and "we don't recall the president saying these comments specifically" are less than 100% emphatic denials; like when Clinton said "I did not have sex with that woman" and then later clarified that the definition of "sex" he was using only included sexual intercourse).

I kinda wish also for the good of the country that whoever heard that hadn't gone running to the nearest reporter to say "OMG guess what Trump just said!!!1!". But he should be smarter too. The denial coming so late and so vague, I find unconvincing.
This is where anonymous sources coming forward and providing either A) Evidence or B) Going on record, would raise journalistic integrity, make Trump a liar, and give me pause. Otherwise it's anonymous sources familiar with the situation vs Trump denying and people on record not recalling hearing it.

I remain unconvinced, clearly YMMV
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Re: Another Trump Victory

Post by ed » Sat Jan 13, 2018 1:14 am

Haiti: # 131 in tourism and #181 in per capita GNP. ie a shithole.
So, whos worse you may ask.

Well ... Somalia, the Central African Republic, Libya. Shitholes one and all.

So? You want they should get a participation trophy?
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Re: Another Trump Victory

Post by Anaxagoras » Sat Jan 13, 2018 1:28 am

https://www.postandcourier.com/politics ... 7b81f.html
U.S. Sen. Lindsey Graham didn't directly confirm President Donald Trump's use of the term "shithole countries" but did say Friday that he made his feelings known to the president about something negative he'd uttered.

“Following comments by the president, I said my piece directly to him yesterday," Graham said in a statement.

"The president and all those attending the meeting know what I said and how I feel," he added. "I’ve always believed that America is an idea, not defined by its people but by its ideals."
One senator who was present at the White House and said he did hear the remarks, Illinois Democrat Richard Durbin, said Friday that Graham challenged Trump on his use of the slur.

Durbin told MSNBC that Graham objected to the president's phrasing.

"My colleague (Sen. Graham) spoke up and made a direct comment on what the president said," Durbin said.
Graham also reportedly confirmed hearing Trump's racially charged remark in a conversation with fellow South Carolina Republican Sen. Tim Scott.

Reached Friday at a Samsung appliance plant opening in Newberry, Scott said that Graham told him the comments, as reported in the media, were “basically accurate.”
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Re: Another Trump Victory

Post by Grammatron » Sat Jan 13, 2018 1:54 am

Graham also reportedly confirmed hearing Trump's racially charged remark in a conversation with fellow South Carolina Republican Sen. Tim Scott.

Reached Friday at a Samsung appliance plant opening in Newberry, Scott said that Graham told him the comments, as reported in the media, were “basically accurate.”
What racially charged remark? WTF does "basically accurate" mean?
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Re: Another Trump Victory

Post by Doctor X » Sat Jan 13, 2018 4:12 am

Anaxagoras wrote:OK. But it seems like he allowed it to go unchallenged for too long. . . .
About twelve hours?

Really?

Do you not criticize him for being reactionary? :freedom:

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Re: Another Trump Victory

Post by Anaxagoras » Sat Jan 13, 2018 4:21 am

Doctor X wrote:
Anaxagoras wrote:OK. But it seems like he allowed it to go unchallenged for too long. . . .
About twelve hours?

Really?

Do you not criticize him for being reactionary? :freedom:

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Well it's kind of blown up into an international controversy, hasn't it? I do think for something like this, 12 hours is too long.
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Re: Another Trump Victory

Post by Grammatron » Sat Jan 13, 2018 4:25 am

Anaxagoras wrote:
Doctor X wrote:
Anaxagoras wrote:OK. But it seems like he allowed it to go unchallenged for too long. . . .
About twelve hours?

Really?

Do you not criticize him for being reactionary? :freedom:

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Well it's kind of blown up into an international controversy, hasn't it? I do think for something like this, 12 hours is too long.
Someone is going to wake up the POTUS being Haiti is offended it's being called a shithole by NYT?
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Re: Another Trump Victory

Post by WildCat » Sat Jan 13, 2018 4:58 am

A recent Human Rights Watch report concluded that the increasing use of so-called “expedited removals” of people picked up by US officials along the Mexican border was returning many to potential danger even though they had expressed fears of returning home. “This comes down to our regard for the dignity and lives of others,” Long said. “Part of the identity of the US is that we adhere to international law, and that says that when people flee for their lives, states are obligated to provide them with protection. We are putting people through an increasingly criminalized detention-based system that risks returning people to their deaths.”
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/201 ... al-america

Does that not qualify the countries involved as shitholes?
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Re: Another Trump Victory

Post by Doctor X » Sat Jan 13, 2018 9:21 am

Anaxagoras wrote:Well it's kind of blown up into an international controversy, hasn't it? I do think for something like this, 12 hours is too long.
And how soon has this "international community" which is upset condemned Iran calling America a "Great Satan," and threatening to destroy America, or the various Fat Men running North Korea similarly denigrating America and anyone else?

I mean, they must have leapt to their feet.

Over all of the decades.

I am sure Various Useless UN Bureaucrats held many a press conference on such, if they were not too busy hamstringing their own "troops" in Rwanda?

In other words, "who are these hypocrites who speak to us as if we needed their advice?"

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Re: Another Trump Victory

Post by Abdul Alhazred » Sat Jan 13, 2018 5:34 pm

Just an aside, but this is a "victory" for Trump in what way exactly?

Did he push any controversial legislation through congress? Or what?

It is a "victory" in the same way that I might call it a victory that I started the 1000+ post thread on sexism in video games over by TOP. :lmao:
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