NYC sues oil companies over climate change

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Re: NYC sues oil companies over climate change

Post by RCC: Act II » Fri Jan 12, 2018 2:26 pm

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I agree that lawsuits may not be the best way to get the money flowing correctly.
It could be, but the civil system for decades evolved in such a way to make this extremely cumbersome.

It is an interesting idea. If the suit gets past a motion to dismiss, the plaintiffs get discovery and if it gets to a jury have the opportunity to prove get a jury to agree in court these companies in part caused climate change.

Those are big "ifs" though.
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Re: NYC sues oil companies over climate change

Post by Abdul Alhazred » Fri Jan 12, 2018 3:21 pm

RCC: You mean you believe they really did cause Hurricane Sandy?
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Re: NYC sues oil companies over climate change

Post by Abdul Alhazred » Fri Jan 12, 2018 3:24 pm

I'm no fan of "Big Pharma" but it's a damn good thing they won the case where they were sued for causing autism with vaccinations.

This case is like that. So I'm rooting for "Big Oil" on this one.

Just by taking it to court, the NYC authorities are harming the world.

I hope the oil companies refuse to sell oil to anyone in NYC.
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Re: NYC sues oil companies over climate change

Post by RCC: Act II » Fri Jan 12, 2018 5:27 pm

Abdul Alhazred wrote:RCC: You mean you believe they really did cause Hurricane Sandy?
Are you saying exhaust contains essential nutrients and should be part of a balanced breakfast?

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Re: NYC sues oil companies over climate change

Post by Mentat » Fri Jan 12, 2018 5:57 pm

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Re: NYC sues oil companies over climate change

Post by Giz » Fri Jan 12, 2018 7:15 pm

Presumably the "big oil" companies would be entitled to enter into evidence the massive decrease in mortality rates and increase in incomes that New York experienced from the use of fossil fuels and that would be netted off against any damages?

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Re: NYC sues oil companies over climate change

Post by gnome » Fri Jan 12, 2018 7:39 pm

I wonder if it might hinge on what agreements they might have made in pursuit of addressing climate change.

If the government asked them to take these steps, and they do it, that might make it more difficult to sue them later over it.

In fact, that could become an incentive to cooperate, to some extent.
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Re: NYC sues oil companies over climate change

Post by Rob Lister » Fri Jan 12, 2018 8:52 pm

Giz wrote:Presumably the "big oil" companies would be entitled to enter into evidence the massive decrease in mortality rates and increase in incomes that New York experienced from the use of fossil fuels and that would be netted off against any damages?
Not to mention credit for the megatons of horseshit they no longer had to remove from the streets.
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