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Post by gnome » Thu Feb 08, 2018 8:26 pm

I feel like the federal government is in a tight spot when it comes to investigating candidates in an election season. Even if the relevant agency were somehow acting with zero bias and in complete good faith, what they do with possibly incriminating information will color how they are perceived. If they act on it, they'll be accused of helping the opposing candidate. If they delay action for any reason they'll be accused of trying to hide it until it's too late.
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Post by RCC: Act II » Thu Feb 08, 2018 9:02 pm

gnome wrote:I feel like the federal government is in a tight spot when it comes to investigating candidates in an election season. Even if the relevant agency were somehow acting with zero bias and in complete good faith, what they do with possibly incriminating information will color how they are perceived. If they act on it, they'll be accused of helping the opposing candidate. If they delay action for any reason they'll be accused of trying to hide it until it's too late.
They can just do their jobs. It isn't up to them to worry about it. This is why a tradition of independence within the executive branch is an important thing to develop and maintain.

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Post by ed » Thu Feb 08, 2018 9:37 pm

Has anyone seen anything about the various texts and other memos in the MSM?
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Post by WildCat » Thu Feb 08, 2018 11:16 pm

RCC: Act II wrote:
WildCat wrote: His state of mind has squat to do with anything.
His state of mind has nothing to do with whether he was personally biased?

Checks out.
It has nothing to do with the fact that he collluded with Russians in partnership with Hillary and the DNC to influence a US election.
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Post by WildCat » Thu Feb 08, 2018 11:21 pm

RCC: Act II wrote:
gnome wrote:I feel like the federal government is in a tight spot when it comes to investigating candidates in an election season. Even if the relevant agency were somehow acting with zero bias and in complete good faith, what they do with possibly incriminating information will color how they are perceived. If they act on it, they'll be accused of helping the opposing candidate. If they delay action for any reason they'll be accused of trying to hide it until it's too late.
They can just do their jobs. It isn't up to them to worry about it. This is why a tradition of independence within the executive branch is an important thing to develop and maintain.
Did they do their job when they granted people around Hillary immunity for nothing at all, when they allowed a government attorney to claim attorney-client privilege, when they helped destroy hard drives, when they allowed Hillary to destroy hard drives, when Lynch met with Bill "to talk about grandchildren and golf"?
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Post by corplinx » Thu Feb 08, 2018 11:40 pm

It's full 1984 at CNN:

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Post by Grammatron » Thu Feb 08, 2018 11:45 pm

What a fantastically crafted bullshit line "a person familiar Strzok's thinking"

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Post by corplinx » Thu Feb 08, 2018 11:50 pm

When the butthurt remnant was telling all their friends "BUY 1984!!!!" after Trump won, they failed to not mention it wasn't an instruction manual.

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Re: 'PEOPLE WILL GO TO JAIL'...

Post by WildCat » Fri Feb 09, 2018 2:17 am

Sen. Mark Warner, the top Democrat on the Senate Intelligence Committee who has been leading a congressional investigation into President Trump's alleged ties to Russia, had extensive contact last year with a lobbyist for a Russian oligarch who was offering Warner access to former British spy and dossier author Christopher Steele, according to text messages obtained exclusively by Fox News.
"We have so much to discuss u need to be careful but we can help our country," Warner texted the lobbyist, Adam Waldman, on March 22, 2017.
"I'm in," Waldman, whose firm has ties to Hillary Clinton, texted back to Warner.

Steele famously put together the anti-Trump dossier of unverified information that was used by FBI and Justice Department officials in October 2016 to get a warrant to conduct surveillance of former Trump adviser Carter Page. Despite the efforts, Steele has not agreed to an interview with the committee.

Secrecy seemed very important to Warner as the conversation with Waldman heated up March 29, when the lobbyist revealed that Steele wanted a bipartisan letter from Warner and the committee’s chairman, North Carolina Republican Sen. Richard Burr, inviting him to talk to the Senate intelligence panel.
Throughout the text exchanges, Warner seemed particularly intent on connecting directly with Steele without anyone else on the Senate Intelligence Committee being in the loop -- at least initially. In one text to the lobbyist, Warner wrote that he would "rather not have a paper trail" of his messages.

An aide to Warner confirmed to Fox News that the text messages are authentic. The messages, which were obtained from a Republican source are all marked "CONFIDENTIAL" and are not classified, were turned over to the Senate panel by Waldman last September.
Waldman, who did not return calls seeking comments, runs the Endeavor Group in Washington.
Waldman is best known for signing a $40,000 monthly retainer in 2009 and 2010 to lobby the U.S. government on behalf of controversial Russian billionaire Oleg V. Deripaska. Deripraska had his visa revoked by the State Department in 2006 because of charges, which he has denied, that he has organized crime ties.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/02 ... teele.html

Amazing how the Democrats always get caught doing what they accuse Team Trump of doing.
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Post by corplinx » Fri Feb 09, 2018 2:22 am

When I said there was Zero evidence for Russian Collusion, DJ Groethe banned me from his Facebook for "trolling".

I would apologize now if I could, all the evidence shows that the Democrats colluded with Russians over and over.

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Post by Abdul Alhazred » Fri Feb 09, 2018 9:27 am

Preemptive "you're another".

In fact they do it all the time even with trivial things.
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Post by corplinx » Fri Feb 09, 2018 3:08 pm

Rubio immediately ran defense for Warner and said "the committee has known for 4 months".

To the Dems on social media, they started the 'OLD NEWS' tired mantra.

No axxually, its new news. Warner and Schiff were both trying to collude with foreign interests and even if the connections were revealed even the GOP did nothing.

Why have Schiff and Warner not resigned yet?

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Post by WildCat » Fri Feb 09, 2018 3:16 pm

corplinx wrote:Rubio immediately ran defense for Warner and said "the committee has known for 4 months".

To the Dems on social media, they started the 'OLD NEWS' tired mantra.

No axxually, its new news. Warner and Schiff were both trying to collude with foreign interests and even if the connections were revealed even the GOP did nothing.

Why have Schiff and Warner not resigned yet?
It's OK for them to have extensive contacts with Russian lobbyists and other foreigners trying to influence US politics and elections, but woe be to anyone on the Trump team who has a 15 minute meeting with an ethnic Russian or who says "hello" to the Russian ambassador at a Senate function, because that's treason!
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Post by Giz » Fri Feb 09, 2018 3:33 pm

WildCat wrote:
corplinx wrote:Rubio immediately ran defense for Warner and said "the committee has known for 4 months".

To the Dems on social media, they started the 'OLD NEWS' tired mantra.

No axxually, its new news. Warner and Schiff were both trying to collude with foreign interests and even if the connections were revealed even the GOP did nothing.

Why have Schiff and Warner not resigned yet?
It's OK for them to have extensive contacts with Russian lobbyists and other foreigners trying to influence US politics and elections, but woe be to anyone on the Trump team who has a 15 minute meeting with an ethnmic Russian or who says "hello" to the Russian ambassador at a Senate function, because that's treason!
That's because, after the 2012 election, they have more flexibility!

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Post by corplinx » Fri Feb 09, 2018 5:24 pm

Giz wins. at least Obama kept one promise

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Post by Anaxagoras » Sat Feb 10, 2018 1:51 am

So now Trump won't release the Dem memo because reasons. :notsure:





(Probably because it totally disproves the Nunes memo)
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Post by Abdul Alhazred » Sat Feb 10, 2018 2:12 am

Prediction: Trump will release it soon.
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Post by corplinx » Sat Feb 10, 2018 5:07 am

If the dossier was used to obtain a Fisa warrant on Carter Page, that is either fact or fiction. If a leak of the dossier was used as corroborating evidence to bolster the dossier to a FISA judge (basically, they presented something they knew untrue _and_ then padded it with _itself_) then that is also a fact.

I doubt that the Schiff memo will "debunk" any of those facts.

It may minimize, rationalize, and have heavily redacted portions so the base can say "SEE, THE EVIDENCES ARE THERE, THEY JUST BLACKED THEM OUT".

After all the leaks both phony and real, we still don't even have a loose string between Trump and Putin; but we have a shitpile of evidence that FISA was abused, that the "russian strategy" of the Hillary campaign was used to justify spying, and that Sydney Blumental and at least one member of the state department (by their own confession) colluded with Steele.

What do you think the Schiff memo is going to do other than say "nuh uh!". LOL

Is this what denial looks?

My confirmation bias is that this was not a conspiracy but a bunch of idiots acting in pairs forming an idiotic chain showing why the government shouldn't have this much power.

a. Hillary paid for the fake Dossier
b. Steele got help from Blumenthal and Jonathan Winer (who does not dispute it and admits providing material)
c. a pair of rogue FBI agents enamored with their own sense of duty to protect america from DRUMPF, used the dossier to get a phony FISA warrant on Carter Page (Carter Page needs to get a few million from this bullshit, he has a legitimate grievance since he ASSISTED the FBI and only went from asset to suspect in order for the rogue FBI elements to spy on Trump)
d. After all those months wiretapping Trump (WHICH DIDNT HAPPEN)(lol, Trump was right, its a year later? should we necro that thread?), they found 0 evidence of anything except that Flynn talked with a Russian official which in a later statement he did not disclose. This got Flynn fired by Trump, but we were all so happy to see him go we didn't call bullshit on it being complete bullshit.
e. After all that spying and not finding a goddamn thing, we get the Mueller investigation which lacking a better explanation, is yet another malicious investigation like the FISA abuse used to spy on Carter Page and thereby vis a vis Trump.

Which part of this sits well with you? because right now there isn't much that dispute any of this. This is reality. These fucktards without a puppet master pulled off this shit off and they are still too goddamn incompetent to step back and say "awwwww fuck, these two agents caused all this shit. it should have never gone this far. This is over now."

Instead we have a 1 year fruitless investigation into a handful of facebook ads because a few rogue agents used oppo research to abuse FISA.

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Post by corplinx » Sat Feb 10, 2018 5:13 am

Oh, did we mention the media was complicit in phony leaks that helped create Russiagate and have run defense the whole time as well?

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September 2017, CNN was still full 1984 about the Trump camp being spied on despite the media probably knowing it was true since it's an incestuous bed with the deep state and nobody can keep their goddamn mouth shut.

Yes, I am saying they flat out lied. And it is the worst sort of lie. One they can legalize away. "well, we reported that Trump claimed it without evidence, which is correct". Fuck you, goodbye, this is why the hicks voted for Trump. They voted against your Orwellian bullshit. It wasn't him, it was all of you. Hillary, Bush, Obama, CNN, Fox, everybody. The hicks gave the entire beltway the middle finger and the beltway still hasn't figured it out.

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Post by Doctor X » Sat Feb 10, 2018 5:23 am

Trump sent the memo back to the committee with members of the Justice Department marking certain things they think will compromise security, on-going investigations, et cetera. One of the complaints that came out last week was the Dems included such "poison pills" so they could yell, "SEE!!!! HE WON'T RELEASE!"

Currently, it is Trump's inclination to declassify it if the changes are made. Granted, I am sure the parts he wants removed PROVES THE COLLIODALIMS!!!

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