## Immigration and the nature of our society

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### Immigration and the nature of our society

I heard an interview on Tucker the other day. Some chick taking the side that Trumps immigration plan was racist. The nubbin of the argument, I think, is that the plan precludes chain migration thus reducing the number of people of color ergo, racist.

This leaves me with a question. Is our population to be viewed in the same way as a work force? That is to say, are we supposed to strive for "diversity" of that group of people independent of the best interest of citizens?

Put another way, should our culture, which is rooted in humanistic, post reformation, europe be forced to change for the requirements of current PC demands?
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### Re: Immigration and the nature of our society

FWIW, Trump's alleged "plan" as far as I can see involves no additional legislation.

Merely an enforcement of existing law.

Am I missing something?
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### Re: Immigration and the nature of our society

ed wrote:I heard an interview on Tucker the other day. Some chick taking the side that Trumps immigration plan was racist. The nubbin of the argument, I think, is that the plan precludes chain migration thus reducing the number of people of color ergo, racist.

This leaves me with a question. Is our population to be viewed in the same way as a work force? That is to say, are we supposed to strive for "diversity" of that group of people independent of the best interest of citizens?

Put another way, should our culture, which is rooted in humanistic, post reformation, europe be forced to change for the requirements of current PC demands?
Great post.

We should each work and vote to our own best interests. Really that's it.

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### Re: Immigration and the nature of our society

Yeah, some want to shut out trade and immigration because they just can't compete with most of the world, and that's how they want to vote. Some want the best bang for their buck when it comes to spending on goods, services, and labor, and they vote otherwise. Same old same old.
It's "pea-can", man.

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### Re: Immigration and the nature of our society

"We hold these truths to be self-evident: that all men are created equal."
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### Re: Immigration and the nature of our society

"Some are more equal than others," Anax.

You do believe Napoleon is always right, yes?

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Napoleon Dynamite, sure!
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### Re: Immigration and the nature of our society

ed wrote: Put another way, should our culture, which is rooted in humanistic, post reformation, europe be forced to change for the requirements of current PC demands?
One could just as easily ask if our culture should be forced to stay the same for someone's demands?

That's kind of a troll response though on my part. In actuality I agree with an immigration policy that favors assimilation, and I think there is room for a valuable compromise that lands somewhere between strict nativism and uncontrolled open borders. Now if we could just get our politicians off those extremes...
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### Re: Immigration and the nature of our society

I generally agree with "assimilation" that diminishes treating women as chattel and promotes the use of soap.

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### Re: Immigration and the nature of our society

Mentat wrote:Yeah, some want to shut out trade and immigration because they just can't compete with most of the world, and that's how they want to vote. Some want the best bang for their buck when it comes to spending on goods, services, and labor, and they vote otherwise. Same old same old.
I'll go with that when the same rules apply to government workers. For example, when school districts hire teachers from India who are willing to do the job for $25K/yr with no benefits. Deal? Do you have questions about God? you sniveling little right-wing nutter - jj Mentat Posts: 10271 Joined: Tue Nov 13, 2007 11:00 pm Location: Hangar 18 Has thanked: 37 times Been thanked: 124 times ### Re: Immigration and the nature of our society WildCat wrote: Mentat wrote:Yeah, some want to shut out trade and immigration because they just can't compete with most of the world, and that's how they want to vote. Some want the best bang for their buck when it comes to spending on goods, services, and labor, and they vote otherwise. Same old same old. I'll go with that when the same rules apply to government workers. For example, when school districts hire teachers from India who are willing to do the job for$25K/yr with no benefits.

Deal?
As long as they're good at their job and it doesn't involve national security, sure thing.
It's "pea-can", man.

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### Re: Immigration and the nature of our society

One more data point.

LA Times

I guess we aren't sending our best?
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### Re: Immigration and the nature of our society

Rob Lister wrote: Great post.

We should each work and vote to our own best interests. Really that's it.

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### Re: Immigration and the nature of our society

Mentat wrote:
WildCat wrote:
Mentat wrote:Yeah, some want to shut out trade and immigration because they just can't compete with most of the world, and that's how they want to vote. Some want the best bang for their buck when it comes to spending on goods, services, and labor, and they vote otherwise. Same old same old.
I'll go with that when the same rules apply to government workers. For example, when school districts hire teachers from India who are willing to do the job for \$25K/yr with no benefits.

Deal?
As long as they're good at their job and it doesn't involve national security, sure thing.
When it happens I'll support importing private sector workers solely because they're willing to work cheap.
Do you have questions about God?

you sniveling little right-wing nutter - jj

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### Re: Immigration and the nature of our society

WildCat wrote:When it happens I'll support importing private sector workers solely because they're willing to work cheap.
Depends on the meaning of "importing": the airport here had Polish workers come in trailers, with their own food, insurance and of course also Polish wages.

The local workforce wasn't very happy.

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### Re: Immigration and the nature of our society

Witness wrote:
WildCat wrote:When it happens I'll support importing private sector workers solely because they're willing to work cheap.
Depends on the meaning of "importing": the airport here had Polish workers come in trailers, with their own food, insurance and of course also Polish wages.

The local workforce wasn't very happy.
Would you rather they move the French airport to Poland?
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### Re: Immigration and the nature of our society

The French surrendering to Poland?

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Doctor X wrote:The French surrendering to Poland?

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### Re: Immigration and the nature of our society

gnome wrote:
ed wrote: Put another way, should our culture, which is rooted in humanistic, post reformation, europe be forced to change for the requirements of current PC demands?
One could just as easily ask if our culture should be forced to stay the same for someone's demands?

That's kind of a troll response though on my part. In actuality I agree with an immigration policy that favors assimilation, and I think there is room for a valuable compromise that lands somewhere between strict nativism and uncontrolled open borders. Now if we could just get our politicians off those extremes...
Of course. But generally one who is promoting change is the one who has to make the case, no?
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