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Re: Florida School Shooting

Postby Mentat » Sat Feb 24, 2018 4:59 pm

Anaxagoras wrote:There's a similar argument about the drinking age.

If you can join the military at 18, why can't you drink until 21?

Personally, I'm fine with raising it to 21. There can be different ages for different things.


Because alcohol, unlike minor things like getting bombed or shot at, can be bad for your health.
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Re: Florida School Shooting

Postby WildCat » Sat Feb 24, 2018 5:51 pm

There was an agreement between the Broward County school board and the Broward County Sheriff's Office not to arrest students for "minor misdemeanors", which includes threats of violence. Thus Cruz was expelled from multiple schools but never arrested or investigated for his threats, ultimately allowing him to pass the background check to buy guns.

The agreement: https://disq.us/url?url=https%3A%2F%2Fw ... id=1212423

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Re: Florida School Shooting

Postby Giz » Sat Feb 24, 2018 5:54 pm

WildCat wrote:There was an agreement between the Broward County school board and the Broward County Sheriff's office not to arrest students for "minor misdemeanors", which includes threats of violence. Thus Cruz was expelled from multiple schools but never arrested or investigated for his threats, ultimately allowing him to pass the background check to buy guns.

The agreement: https://disq.us/url?url=https%3A%2F%2Fw ... id=1212423

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Jeez. In a sane world, sheriff Israel would have been the focus of that town hall.

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Re: Florida School Shooting

Postby WildCat » Sat Feb 24, 2018 5:58 pm

To be fair that's 17 kids who will never go to jail thanks to Sheriff Israel.
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Re: Florida School Shooting

Postby WildCat » Sat Feb 24, 2018 6:08 pm

Fucking hell, Stevie Wonder could have seen this coming:
According to a BSO timeline released during the press conference, the department had fielded 23 calls in the past decade related to Cruz or his family.

Many of them seemed uneventful at the time, but foreshadowed mounting troubles with Cruz.

The first report came in November 2008, when Cruz — then 9 years old — threw a rock at another boy outside their Parkland home. In the following years, Cruz’s mother called police to report various disturbances: her sons were fighting, Cruz hit her with a plastic vacuum-cleaner hose, the boys left the home through a bedroom window.

On another occasion, the 14-year-old Cruz punched a wall because she took away his X-box. An employee of Henderson Behavioral Health came and said the boy did not meet criteria for involuntary psychological evaluation under the state’s Baker Act.

In November 2014, deputies were called to a neighbor’s home after he reportedly shot a neighbor’s chicken with a pellet gun — his mother agreed to lock away the gun and the fowl’s owner declined to press charges.

Then came the first serious red flag.

In February 2016, someone reported that Cruz “planned to shoot up the school.” A deputy was shown an Instagram photo of a “juvenile” with guns. Investigators say they don’t know which school was the possible target.

According to BSO, a deputy talked to the anonymous caller, then determined that Cruz “possessed knives and a BB gun.” That information was forwarded to Peterson at the Douglas campus, police said. The internal affairs unit is now investigating why nothing came of the report.

Seven months later, in September 2016, a Douglas school counselor reported to the school resource officer that Cruz might have ingested gasoline and attempted suicide by “cutting himself.” He also said he wanted to buy a gun and had a Nazi symbol on his book bag.

The school initiated a “threat assessment” on Cruz, then 18, suggesting he suffered from depression. The Florida Department of Children and Families also investigated Cruz and determined he was not a threat to himself or others. At the time, he was undergoing therapy with Henderson Behavioral Health.

BSO had no more contact with Cruz until November 2017, shortly after his mother died of a respiratory illness. His mother’s cousin, Katherine Blaine, reported that the woman had died and asked that BSO seize the arsenal.

A deputy responded and a “close family friend agreed to take possession of the firearms.” After the shooting, Blaine claimed it was only BB guns and denied she had asked for deputies to take the weapons.

Then, on Nov. 30, an unidentified caller from Massachusetts called to say Cruz was collecting guns and knives. The caller said “Cruz will kill himself one day and believes he could be a school shooter in the making.”

BSO, however, never even wrote a report on the tip. Internal affairs detectives are now trying to figure out what happened. Deputies Edward Eason and Guntis Treijs are on restricted duty while detectives examine their handling of the two potential school shooter tips. After the shooting, the tipster was re-interviewed and said BSO told him to report Cruz to the Palm Beach Sheriff’s, as the teen was then living in the neighboring county.

There, Cruz was also on the radar of law enforcement.

The family that took in Cruz after the death of his mother called the Palm Beach Sheriff’s Office to report a fight between him and their son, 22. One member of the family told police that Cruz had threatened to “get his gun and come back” and that he had “put the gun to others’ heads in the past.”

But the family did not want him arrested after he calmed down.

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Re: Florida School Shooting

Postby Pyrrho » Sat Feb 24, 2018 6:09 pm

Yup. A background check is useless if the "red flag" behavior isn't in the records a background check would examine.
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Postby WildCat » Sat Feb 24, 2018 6:11 pm

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Re: Florida School Shooting

Postby Doctor X » Sat Feb 24, 2018 7:28 pm

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Re: Florida School Shooting

Postby corplinx » Sat Feb 24, 2018 7:45 pm

The NRA makes a good default boogeyman when you need a scapegoat. Honestly, the amount of "blame NRA" is sickening. I don't even like Wayne LaPierre and think he's a douche rocket. CNN is preying on the basest instincts of people sort of like the National Socialists.

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Postby Abdul Alhazred » Sat Feb 24, 2018 8:02 pm

What happens if the NRA is driven out of business, and then someone gets shot anyway?
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Postby WildCat » Sat Feb 24, 2018 8:13 pm

With the exception of the Las Vegas shooter it seems all mass shooters had raised lots of red flags before going on their shooting spree. A lot goes wrong beforehand that leads to that point.
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Re: Florida School Shooting

Postby Doctor X » Sat Feb 24, 2018 8:45 pm

Some of it is Monday Morning Quarter Backing.

Some of it is so fuckingly obvious mere incompetence cannot explain it:

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Postby Grammatron » Sat Feb 24, 2018 9:22 pm

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Re: Florida School Shooting

Postby corplinx » Sat Feb 24, 2018 11:40 pm

if that guy was a republican, the activists would have already had him resign for his failures

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Re: Florida School Shooting

Postby ed » Sun Feb 25, 2018 1:33 am

WildCat wrote:There was an agreement between the Broward County school board and the Broward County Sheriff's Office not to arrest students for "minor misdemeanors", which includes threats of violence. Thus Cruz was expelled from multiple schools but never arrested or investigated for his threats, ultimately allowing him to pass the background check to buy guns.

The agreement: https://disq.us/url?url=https%3A%2F%2Fw ... id=1212423

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Please note the third "Whereas"

WHEREAS
, across the country, students of color, students with disabilities and LGBTQ students are disproportionately impacted by school-based arrests for the same behavior as their peers


Too many minorities were impacted so they simply changed the rules ... Problem solved.
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Re: Florida School Shooting

Postby Pyrrho » Sun Feb 25, 2018 2:19 am

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Re: Florida School Shooting

Postby corplinx » Sun Feb 25, 2018 2:33 am

I just read that transcript. A horrible picture of derangement. So what did they do?

use a picture of a maga hat

seriously, fucktards in the media, the hicks arent fooled by you trying to frame everything with the narrative

Just fucking stop.

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Re: Florida School Shooting

Postby Doctor X » Sun Feb 25, 2018 3:06 am

BUT CRUZ NOT SHOOT IF NOT NAZIS IN POWDER!!1!!

IT WAS HER TURN!!!1!!
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Re: Florida School Shooting

Postby ed » Sun Feb 25, 2018 12:20 pm

I am noting that as soon as the role of the police came out, the story fell from the front pages.

It is stuff like this that makes me really wonder about our press.
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Re: Florida School Shooting

Postby Skeeve » Sun Feb 25, 2018 1:26 pm

corplinx wrote:I just read that transcript. A horrible picture of derangement. So what did they do?

use a picture of a maga hat

seriously, fucktards in the media, the hicks arent fooled by you trying to frame everything with the narrative

Just fucking stop.

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