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Mueller Investigation of Russian Interference

Postby ed » Sat Feb 17, 2018 1:32 pm

The indictments are in. And what did the Russkis do exactly?


In summer 2016, as Mrs. Clinton appeared headed for a decisive general election victory, Russian operatives promoted allegations of Democratic voter fraud. That echoed Mr. Trump’s own message that he was the victim of a rigged political system.


and

After the election, the Russians kept up their efforts to foment dissent. In November, they staged two rallies in New York on the same day. One had the theme, “Show your support for President-Elect Trump.” The other was called, “Trump is NOT my President.”

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/16/us/p ... v=top-news

Bottom line: Russians are Trolls.

WTF? Thats it? Thats all you got?

The Times, though, had to get a dig in:
The 37-page indictment — handed up by a federal grand jury in Washington — amounted to a detailed rebuttal of Mr. Trump, who has sowed doubts that Russia interfered in the election and dismissed questions about its meddling as “fake news.”


Here are some of the "tools" used by the Russian bear:
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/201 ... -2016.html

Reminds me of these "training" videos from the Florida guys.

Anyhoo, here is the inditement, please peruse it. You will find gems of deceit such as:
“Defendants and their co-conspirators asked one U.S. person to build a cage on a flatbed truck and another U.S. person to wear a costume portraying Clinton in a prison uniform,”

Jesus Christ, really Mr. Mueller? Really?
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Re: Mueller Investigation of Russian Interference

Postby gnome » Sat Feb 17, 2018 2:31 pm

My understanding is they committed wire fraud and identity theft in the course of pushing the propaganda, which is something worth acting on with criminal charges, especially if it was a conspiracy. That doesn't mean anything earth shattering about the election itself, but still something we should take care of.

If one were checking for collusion, leaning on people to talk that face serious charges could get you information. Personally I would bet nothing connects from this particular group, but it's worthwhile to check as long as Mueller's job is investigating the possibility.
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Re: Mueller Investigation of Russian Interference

Postby WildCat » Sat Feb 17, 2018 3:21 pm

Democrats should hire Russians to run their campaigns, apparently they think they accomplished with $7 million what Hillary couldn't do with $1.2 billion.
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Re: Mueller Investigation of Russian Interference

Postby ed » Sat Feb 17, 2018 3:22 pm

gnome wrote:My understanding is they committed wire fraud and identity theft in the course of pushing the propaganda, which is something worth acting on with criminal charges, especially if it was a conspiracy. That doesn't mean anything earth shattering about the election itself, but still something we should take care of.

If one were checking for collusion, leaning on people to talk that face serious charges could get you information. Personally I would bet nothing connects from this particular group, but it's worthwhile to check as long as Mueller's job is investigating the possibility.

Identity theft? Like the kind illegals do?
Ok, lets prosecute tbem all.
Certainly worth whatever it costs.
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Re: Mueller Investigation of Russian Interference

Postby Abdul Alhazred » Sat Feb 17, 2018 4:18 pm

'Unwitting' former Trump campaign aides react to special counsel indictments (CNN)

See that? Unwitting. Yet they did Putin's bidding. :o

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Re: Mueller Investigation of Russian Interference

Postby Mentat » Sat Feb 17, 2018 4:42 pm

So being an illegal immigrant trying to make a living is a greater evil than trying to subvert a democracy on behalf of an enemy state?

Yeah, the United part of the USA is dead. The killing is just a matter of time. I mean besides the skirmish attacks from those "LARPers".
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Re: Mueller Investigation of Russian Interference

Postby Abdul Alhazred » Sat Feb 17, 2018 5:12 pm

Mentat wrote:So being an illegal immigrant trying to make a living is a greater evil than trying to subvert a democracy on behalf of an enemy state? ...



Emphasis added.

Evidences? :cowbell:
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Re: Mueller Investigation of Russian Interference

Postby Giz » Sat Feb 17, 2018 5:16 pm

Mentat wrote:
Yeah, the United part of the USA is dead.


We hold these truths to be self-evident, that republican administrations are created by fraud , that they are endowed by their Creator [putin] with certain russian collusion, that among these are trolls, tweets and trumps.

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Re: Mueller Investigation of Russian Interference

Postby Mentat » Sat Feb 17, 2018 5:31 pm

Abdul Alhazred wrote:
Mentat wrote:So being an illegal immigrant trying to make a living is a greater evil than trying to subvert a democracy on behalf of an enemy state? ...



Emphasis added.

Evidences? :cowbell:


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Re: Mueller Investigation of Russian Interference

Postby Abdul Alhazred » Sat Feb 17, 2018 5:59 pm

Is Russia an enemy state?

Or is that just presuppositional lefty hysteria?
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Re: Mueller Investigation of Russian Interference

Postby corplinx » Sat Feb 17, 2018 6:01 pm

They are opening up a can of worms.
a. there was no interference
b. there was an attempt to influence, but the influence was neglible
c. the influence was an attempt to create chaos, which pushed for every anti-establishment candidate
d. the attempt wasn't to elect Donald Trump in the end, but to set fire to western civ
e. When do the Russkies ask us to review the CIA's operations overseas and arrest anyone who has attempted to influence foreign elections?
f. When do the Russkies ask us to imprison Hillary Clinton for real interference in Libya which led to the sanguinary meltdown of the entire country?
g. Are the Mueller arrests timed to deflect off the FBI failing re: the recent Florida shooting?

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Re: Mueller Investigation of Russian Interference

Postby Mentat » Sat Feb 17, 2018 6:20 pm

Abdul Alhazred wrote:Is Russia an enemy state?

Or is that just presuppositional lefty hysteria?


I'm sure it's not considered a hostile act when democracy is subverted to your own favor.
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Re: Mueller Investigation of Russian Interference

Postby Abdul Alhazred » Sat Feb 17, 2018 6:43 pm

Mentat wrote:
Abdul Alhazred wrote:Is Russia an enemy state?

Or is that just presuppositional lefty hysteria?


I'm sure it's not considered a hostile act when democracy is subverted to your own favor.


If a handful of internet trolls can subvert democracy that easily, it was already long gone.

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Re: Mueller Investigation of Russian Interference

Postby Mentat » Sat Feb 17, 2018 6:57 pm

Abdul Alhazred wrote:
Mentat wrote:
Abdul Alhazred wrote:Is Russia an enemy state?

Or is that just presuppositional lefty hysteria?


I'm sure it's not considered a hostile act when democracy is subverted to your own favor.


If a handful of internet trolls can subvert democracy that easily, it was already long gone.

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The fact that you and the rest of the right is fine with it is plenty evidence enough.

The enemy of my enemy is my friend. It doesn't matter if they are enemy sovereign agents or right wing terrorists, as long as they only harm and kill lefties, you are happy to defend, deflect, and enable them. You are right, democracy was already long gone. This is war now.
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Re: Mueller Investigation of Russian Interference

Postby Giz » Sat Feb 17, 2018 7:00 pm

Mentat wrote:
Abdul Alhazred wrote:
Mentat wrote:
Abdul Alhazred wrote:Is Russia an enemy state?

Or is that just presuppositional lefty hysteria?


I'm sure it's not considered a hostile act when democracy is subverted to your own favor.


If a handful of internet trolls can subvert democracy that easily, it was already long gone.

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The fact that you and the rest of the right is fine with it is plenty evidence enough.

The enemy of my enemy is my friend. It doesn't matter if they are enemy sovereign agents or right wing terrorists, as long as they only harm and kill lefties, you are happy to defend, deflect, and enable them. You are right, democracy was already long gone. This is war now.


You realize that if (if!) It turns out that there was no real treasonous collusion from trump, that it is the Dems who are destroying faith in western democracy for their own short sighed partisan gain.

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Re: Mueller Investigation of Russian Interference

Postby Mentat » Sat Feb 17, 2018 7:09 pm

There is no democracy at this point to have faith in. Even if proof came out today that Trump worked with Putin, the new right narrative will be that there's nothing wrong with it. You all see even investigating the connection as more evil than them working together.
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Re: Mueller Investigation of Russian Interference

Postby corplinx » Sat Feb 17, 2018 7:43 pm

Where's the birth certificate? Right mentat?

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Re: Mueller Investigation of Russian Interference

Postby corplinx » Sat Feb 17, 2018 7:44 pm

Abdul Alhazred wrote:If a handful of internet trolls can subvert democracy that easily, it was already long gone.


Abdul has the final word on this. Sometimes it takes humor to make a wall of cognitive dissonance crumble.

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Re: Mueller Investigation of Russian Interference

Postby ed » Sat Feb 17, 2018 7:49 pm

Mentat wrote:So being an illegal immigrant trying to make a living is a greater evil than trying to subvert a democracy on behalf of an enemy state?



Sorry, a sob story changes nothing.
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Re: Mueller Investigation of Russian Interference

Postby Mentat » Sat Feb 17, 2018 8:05 pm

ed wrote:
Mentat wrote:So being an illegal immigrant trying to make a living is a greater evil than trying to subvert a democracy on behalf of an enemy state?



Sorry, a sob story changes nothing.


Ah I see. The traitors are not even pretending to care about democracy or America now.
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