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Re: Kalifornia

Postby Nyarlathotep » Mon Feb 19, 2018 8:24 pm

Yeah, these weren’t just garden variety homeless. These were mental patients, some with a history of violence we were sending over
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Re: Kalifornia

Postby Abdul Alhazred » Mon Feb 19, 2018 8:53 pm

In the case of NYC and Chicago, there are municipal departments of the homeless, and "homeless" is in some sense an official status.

In this context, "homeless" means someone qualified to receive services from the aforesaid departments.
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Re: Kalifornia

Postby WildCat » Mon Feb 19, 2018 9:14 pm

Nyarlathotep wrote:Yes, yes. We all know your position. Californians are liberals, therefore untermenschen, subhumans who all ought to be executed for holding liberal opinions. To protect free speech, you know.

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Re: Kalifornia

Postby Nyarlathotep » Mon Feb 19, 2018 9:22 pm

Yes, I made a wrong prediction. I have admitted it was wrong, yet you keep bringing it up. Incessantly. Never even acknowledging that I admitted I was wrong about 100 times. but According to you and ed, California (oh, excuse me Kalifornia. Gotta make that commie association ya know) is already there. Are currently making that claim, not made it in the past, was wrong and admitted it. And you seem eager to do something about that. I can only speculate what that something is, but with your ilk, its never anything pretty.

And I know EXACTLY what you are trying to do with your posts directed at me too. You apparently think I am stupid.
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Re: Kalifornia

Postby Nyarlathotep » Mon Feb 19, 2018 9:25 pm

Abdul Alhazred wrote:In the case of NYC and Chicago, there are municipal departments of the homeless, and "homeless" is in some sense an official status.

In this context, "homeless" means someone qualified to receive services from the aforesaid departments.


In the case of Nevada and California, these were patients at mental hospitals that the state basically said "nah, lets not continue treating these people. Lets just give them a one way bus ticket to San Francisco or LA and let California sort it out"
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Re: Kalifornia

Postby WildCat » Mon Feb 19, 2018 9:50 pm

Nyarlathotep wrote:Yes, I made a wrong prediction.

But then you keep making more of them and making batshit-crazy accusations. And knowing how you manufacture crap out of whole cloth about me I have no doubt you do it to others as well, and thus 99.99% of your stories are likely bullshit. Especially since none of them ring true on my planet.
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Re: Kalifornia

Postby Nyarlathotep » Mon Feb 19, 2018 9:54 pm

That no one informed my family in Cali...errr...Kalifornia that it was a dystopian nightmare is bullshit you say? Hmmmmm. Which is the bullshit part. Is it NOT a dystopian nightmare or is it and they HAVE been informed? Do tell.

And still I know what you are doing. Sadly for you, it takes several people piling on me to drive me off. You will need allies. I have no doubt you will get them eventually. But you are going to have to wait until you do
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Re: Kalifornia

Postby ed » Mon Feb 19, 2018 10:16 pm

Nyarlathotep wrote:Yes, I made a wrong prediction. I have admitted it was wrong, yet you keep bringing it up. Incessantly. Never even acknowledging that I admitted I was wrong about 100 times. but According to you and ed, California (oh, excuse me Kalifornia. Gotta make that commie association ya know) is already there. Are currently making that claim, not made it in the past, was wrong and admitted it. And you seem eager to do something about that. I can only speculate what that something is, but with your ilk, its never anything pretty.

And I know EXACTLY what you are trying to do with your posts directed at me too. You apparently think I am stupid.


Umm, no.
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Re: Kalifornia

Postby WildCat » Mon Feb 19, 2018 10:22 pm

Nyarlathotep wrote:That no one informed my family in Cali...errr...Kalifornia that it was a dystopian nightmare is bullshit you say? Hmmmmm. Which is the bullshit part. Is it NOT a dystopian nightmare or is it and they HAVE been informed? Do tell.

And still I know what you are doing. Sadly for you, it takes several people piling on me to drive me off. You will need allies. I have no doubt you will get them eventually. But you are going to have to wait until you do

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Re: Kalifornia

Postby Doctor X » Mon Feb 19, 2018 10:24 pm

So is Gram the "Kzar?"

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Re: Kalifornia

Postby Nyarlathotep » Mon Feb 19, 2018 10:25 pm

Yeah. Only in my head, right.
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Re: Kalifornia

Postby ed » Mon Feb 19, 2018 10:41 pm

OK. Lets try this again.

Humans are animals. They respond to simple stimulus/reward paradigms.

If a human has a problem with a class of other humans and there is an obvious fix in the next state over, that human will avail him/herself of that solution. No biggie, no interpretations necessary. No politics.

If a state like cali says "c'mere ragged refuse" and then they are inundated by humans who see this as a way of maximizing return whilst minimizing effort, no one should be surprised.

To paraphrase someone, it is really quite simple.

And, eventually, someone is going to have to pay.
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Re: Kalifornia

Postby gnome » Mon Feb 19, 2018 11:07 pm

I don't buy it's as simple as that.

You propose that enlightened self-interest, long term thinking, is impossible. That we must engage in a race to the bottom, with whichever state offers the least in services being able to escape the consequences.

I accept only that with no attention to the matter, we will. I do not accept that we must.
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Re: Kalifornia

Postby ed » Mon Feb 19, 2018 11:29 pm

gnome wrote:I don't buy it's as simple as that.

You propose that enlightened self-interest, long term thinking, is impossible. That we must engage in a race to the bottom, with whichever state offers the least in services being able to escape the consequences.

I accept only that with no attention to the matter, we will. I do not accept that we must.


I am saying that altruism exists mainly in inspirational fiction.

Politicians exist to get reelected. I won't argue the point, the data is on my side. They will do what it takes.

whichever state offers the least in services being able to escape the consequences

It isn't quite that simple. But it is close to that.

At some point Cali will sober up, presumably the adults will take over again. At that point there will be corrections and those States that benefited in the past by offering shit programs might look good.

It's a multivariate problem with troublesome interactions but it is,at it's core, pretty simple: get to the food while expending the least amount of energy. Thats a metaphor.

I don't buy it's as simple as that

Why? Because humans are "different"? Where is Doc's condescending head patting smiley?

Sorry, am I being snotty?
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Re: Kalifornia

Postby gnome » Mon Feb 19, 2018 11:57 pm

I do accept that is the tendency of how politicians will behave.
What I do not accept is that it is a problem that cannot be solved-- and that is what you propose, that a state can only survive by shuffling its problems to states that will accept the burden, until no one does.
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Re: Kalifornia

Postby Nyarlathotep » Tue Feb 20, 2018 12:37 am

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gnome wrote:I don't buy it's as simple as that.

You propose that enlightened self-interest, long term thinking, is impossible. That we must engage in a race to the bottom, with whichever state offers the least in services being able to escape the consequences.

I accept only that with no attention to the matter, we will. I do not accept that we must.


I am saying that altruism exists mainly in inspirational fiction.

Politicians exist to get reelected. I won't argue the point, the data is on my side. They will do what it takes.

whichever state offers the least in services being able to escape the consequences

It isn't quite that simple. But it is close to that.

At some point Cali will sober up, presumably the adults will take over again. At that point there will be corrections and those States that benefited in the past by offering shit programs might look good.

It's a multivariate problem with troublesome interactions but it is,at it's core, pretty simple: get to the food while expending the least amount of energy. Thats a metaphor.

I don't buy it's as simple as that

Why? Because humans are "different"? Where is Doc's condescending head patting smiley?

Sorry, am I being snotty?


If I made this exact post, talking about how horrible people are and how venal politicians are the only kind, you would be jumping my shit.

Guess its okay for YOU to say things like that. But when I do, I am a subhuman piece of trash.

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Re: Kalifornia

Postby Doctor X » Tue Feb 20, 2018 1:03 am

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Re: Kalifornia

Postby Nyarlathotep » Tue Feb 20, 2018 1:50 am

Not giving them the satisfaction yet. They will have to work for it
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Re: Kalifornia

Postby ed » Tue Feb 20, 2018 2:33 am

Nyarlathotep wrote:
If I made this exact post, talking about how horrible people are and how venal politicians are the only kind, you would be jumping my shit.

Mind reading now, are we?

Guess its okay for YOU to say things like that. But when I do, I am a subhuman piece of trash.


If you saidd what I said it would be brilliant. Obviously.

Hypocrite

aren't we all.

Actually, there was not one thing in that post that I have not said many times before. Please pay attention.
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Re: Kalifornia

Postby Nyarlathotep » Tue Feb 20, 2018 2:51 am

No mind reading necessary. You have done it before
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