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Post by ed » Mon Feb 26, 2018 3:40 pm

China is an actual threat as opposed to the Russkis. Since they have gone full dictatorship I expect we will hear more about them.
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Post by Laura Bush » Mon Feb 26, 2018 3:46 pm

I like it there.

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Post by Mentat » Mon Feb 26, 2018 4:13 pm

Until they help out Trump in 2020, then they'll be the GOP's darling. Putin better watch out.
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Post by Doctor X » Tue Feb 27, 2018 12:24 am

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Post by Anaxagoras » Tue Feb 27, 2018 1:05 am

They are going from one-party rule to one-man rule. Like it was under Mao.

Scrapping Term Limits Fits the ‘Dictator Forever’ Model
It took Xinhua, the official news agency of China, only 36 words to send a chill down the spines of millions of people, in China and elsewhere: an announcement that the Communist Party will toss away the nation’s 35-year-old limit that its president and vice president may serve only two terms. It almost certainly means that President Xi Jinping, 64, plans to remain in power for the rest of his life.

“China does not need another Mao, but it’s going to get one anyway,” Gordon Chang, a noted China analyst and a Daily Beast columnist, told me. “God help us all, Chinese and others.”

Chang reminded me that after Mao Zedong’s bloody and ruthless 27 years of one-man rule, which ended with his death in 1976, reformers vowed not to take chances that one person could monopolize power again. Deng Xiaoping and other survivors of the Cultural Revolution, including the father of Xi Jinping, sought to limit arbitrary power. They set a limit of two five-year terms on the presidency and vice presidency, and safeguards to ensure that major decisions would be made by a collective leadership.

Since he first took office, Xi has consistently worked to centralize his authority. Anti-corruption campaigns have carefully targeted political rivals and driven them out of office. He has waived informal retirement-age requirements so that Wang Qishan, his right-hand man, can stay in office. Xi’s portrait hangs everywhere in the country, in a clear effort to create a cult of personality. Along with putting an end to term limits, the 205-member Central Committee of the Communist Party has also announced that it will insert “Xi Jingping Thought on Socialism with Chinese Characteristics for a New Era,” a 14-point basic policy plan, into the nation’s constitution. It’s as if President Trump tried to add the tenets of The Art of the Deal to our governing document.

All of this amounts to a slow-motion coup against the safeguards that Communist reformers set up in the 1980s. When, in October 2017, CNN asked Jeff Wasserstrom, a China analyst at the University of California, to name the five most powerful people in China, he replied: “Xi, Xi, Xi, Xi, and Xi.”
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Post by Abdul Alhazred » Tue Feb 27, 2018 1:10 am

But how are they a threat exactly?

To us I mean.
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Post by Giz » Tue Feb 27, 2018 1:20 am

Abdul Alhazred wrote:But how are they a threat exactly?

To us I mean.
Hmm, I know they are building military bases in international waters and sponsor north korea but I don't think that they have done anything extreme like put memes on Facebook.

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Post by Mentat » Tue Feb 27, 2018 1:33 am

Abdul Alhazred wrote:But how are they a threat exactly?

To us I mean.
Not much as they are now. But don't think that couldn't be able to change within a decade. The same could have been said of Russia at the turn of the century.
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Post by gnome » Tue Feb 27, 2018 7:34 pm

I think any severely authoritarian state is a threat to the world, as one of the most common ways of shoring up power is to offer an outside threat to rally against. When it's a nuclear-armed contender for superpower status, that is everyone's business.
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Post by Giz » Tue Feb 27, 2018 7:55 pm

gnome wrote:I think any severely authoritarian state is a threat to the world, as one of the most common ways of shoring up power is to offer an outside threat to rally against.
That is the key theme of this book (by an ex soviet dissident):


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Post by Abdul Alhazred » Tue Feb 27, 2018 9:21 pm

gnome wrote:I think any severely authoritarian state is a threat to the world, as one of the most common ways of shoring up power is to offer an outside threat to rally against. When it's a nuclear-armed contender for superpower status, that is everyone's business.
I'm not saying this is your actual position, but that sounds a lot like the "neocon" argument for permanent war.
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Post by Witness » Wed Feb 28, 2018 1:07 am

I'm sure the Chinese will be happy to have en Emperor again! (With concubines, eunuchs, princesses, &c. :drool: )

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Post by gnome » Wed Feb 28, 2018 2:09 pm

Abdul Alhazred wrote:
gnome wrote:I think any severely authoritarian state is a threat to the world, as one of the most common ways of shoring up power is to offer an outside threat to rally against. When it's a nuclear-armed contender for superpower status, that is everyone's business.
I'm not saying this is your actual position, but that sounds a lot like the "neocon" argument for permanent war.
The difference is that I don't favor military ventures as a response, at least not just because of that. It is something that I think is true.
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Post by Abdul Alhazred » Wed Feb 28, 2018 2:12 pm

gnome wrote:
Abdul Alhazred wrote:
gnome wrote:I think any severely authoritarian state is a threat to the world, as one of the most common ways of shoring up power is to offer an outside threat to rally against. When it's a nuclear-armed contender for superpower status, that is everyone's business.
I'm not saying this is your actual position, but that sounds a lot like the "neocon" argument for permanent war.
The difference is that I don't favor military ventures as a response, at least not just because of that. It is something that I think is true.
I figured that was your position, but the similarity was still striking.

Also, it's not just a question of "military ventures", unless you mean business ventures.
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Post by gnome » Wed Feb 28, 2018 2:27 pm

Consider it an argument against isolationism. Against the idea that it's their business and we shouldn't involve ourselves. I think we'd better be involved.
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Post by Abdul Alhazred » Wed Feb 28, 2018 2:32 pm

Isolationism -- an old cuss word from the 1920s meaning a policy of armed neutrality (such as that pursued by Sweden), but only when the USA does it.

Remember the 2000 presidential campaign? George was accused of isolationism because he proposed pulling out of the Balkans.

And back in the 1950's, Herblock accused the Republicans of "Asialationism". :BigGrin3:
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Post by gnome » Wed Feb 28, 2018 2:38 pm

Accusations notwithstanding, I do not think "armed neutrality" is the way to go with China. Again, I would prefer solutions through our state department rather than our DoD, but certainly they need to be vigilant as well.
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Post by Laura Bush » Thu Mar 01, 2018 3:51 am

Isolationism is fine with me. Less likely I'll have to deal with any you snowflakes while I'm in Yunnan that way :D

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Post by Anaxagoras » Thu Mar 01, 2018 4:02 am

China’s Censors Ban Winnie the Pooh and the Letter ‘N’ After Xi’s Power Grab :lol:
BEIJING — Liu Jin, a 27-year-old teacher in central China, is the kind of young nationalist that President Xi Jinping can typically count on. Mr. Liu shares propaganda photos of the president in battle fatigues online and reverently calls him “Uncle Xi.”

But Mr. Liu was dismayed this week when he heard that the ruling Communist Party was changing the Chinese Constitution, allowing Mr. Xi to stay in power indefinitely.

“I disagree,” Mr. Liu wrote on Weibo, a microblogging site, listing examples of power-hungry emperors and autocrats. Censors immediately deleted the post.

During his more than five years in power, Mr. Xi has cultivated an image as a man of the people — a centered, sympathetic leader who lines up with workers to buy pork buns while also guiding the world’s most populous nation to growth and global influence.

But the move to abolish term limits, announced on Sunday, has resurrected deeper fears in Chinese society, where memories remain of the personality cult of China’s founding father, Mao Zedong, and the fevered emotions and chaos that it conjured.

Anxious to suppress criticism, and maintain an appearance of mass support, the Communist Party’s censors have scoured the internet and social media for content deemed subversive. The sanitizing has included many images of Winnie the Pooh — Mr. Xi is sometimes likened to the cartoon bear — and search terms like “my emperor,” “lifelong” and “shameless.”

For a short time, even the English letter “N” was censored, according to Victor Mair, a University of Pennsylvania professor, apparently to pre-empt social scientists from expressing dissent mathematically: N > 2, with “N” being the number of Mr. Xi’s terms in office.
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