ed wrote: Cloverlief wrote: xouper wrote:
Cloverlief wrote:Cars have other purposes than just killing. Guns do not.
That is factually incorrect.
Guns have several legitimate and lawful purposes that do not include killing people.
Fact: In the US, guns are used far more often for self defense than they are for killing people illegally.
Your claim that guns do not have any other purpose than just killing is total bunk.
Just because some people use guns unlawfully is not sufficient reason to take guns away from those who use guns for lawful purposes.
Guns one and only design is to be a weapon to kill efficiently. So, no it is not factually incorrect.
This is the problem with discussing this topic with the ignorant
What would you call that? A killing machine. Please learn a bit about the topic before spouting.
BTW this is exactly the position the Mad Dane Claus took many ages ago before he was spanked and sent to his room.
For those who didn't already know, Ed is referring to a category of sport rifles that are designed exclusively for accuracy, not killing.
For detailed discussion of the design objectives, see for example (red bolding added by me):
No doubt about it, the desire to own one of the worlds most accurate rifles is what attracts a lot of shooters to benchrest.
Benchrest is the Formula 1 of shooting-sports and our rifles are built with just one thing in mind - ultimate accuracy!
This is an example of a category of rifles whose design clearly contradicts the claim that "Guns one and only design is to be a weapon to kill efficiently."
This is not to say that no guns are designed to kill. Clearly some are. So let's address that.
Most people who own guns do not own them for the purpose of killing people, even if a particular gun was specifically designed to kill people. Apart from the lawful purpose of sport shooting and hunting, there is also the lawful purpose of self defense.
Fact: Most successful uses of a gun for self defense do not result in anyone getting killed, or even shot.
This is why the objection that "guns are designed to kill" is not relevant to why most people own them. And thus such an objection is not relevant to the debate about whether law abiding citizens should be allowed to own them.
In any case, the Second Amendment right to own and carry guns does not have an exception for guns that are designed to kill. In fact, the Second Amendment was specifically worded to protect the right of individuals to own (personal) weapons of war.