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Re: Examples of self defense with a gun

Post by xouper » Thu Aug 30, 2018 7:20 pm

https://www.cnn.com/2018/08/30/us/stand-your-ground-polk-county-uber-driver/index.html wrote:
'You know I got a pistol?' the man yelled. So the Uber driver shot him
By Darran Simon, Jamiel Lynch and Eric Levenson, CNN
Updated 10:53 AM ET, Thu August 30, 2018

(CNN) After a heated text message exchange with his on-again, off-again girlfriend, Jason Boek followed an Uber he thought was giving her a ride home.

Driving along a dark stretch of two-lane road in central Florida, Boek swerved his pickup truck early Tuesday morning in front of the rideshare car.

Uber driver Robert Westlake slammed on his brakes.

They narrowly avoided a crash and stopped in the middle of the roadway.

Then, Boek jumped out of his truck and quickly walked toward Westlake's Hyundai Elantra.

"You know I got a pistol?" Boek said, holding an object in the air. "You want me to f****** shoot you?"

Bang. With one shot, the Uber driver killed him.

The fatal confrontation, captured on Westlake's dash camera, . . .

. . . "This is a justifiable homicide all day long. You have the right protect yourself," Sheriff Grady Judd said Wednesday. "This was the intent of the law."

. . . And Westlake, 38, was no ordinary Uber driver. He's a licensed armed security guard who holds a concealed weapons permit and who had just completed training to be a police officer.

. . . The sheriff's office said Westlake is cooperating with the investigation. And the sheriff wanted this much to be clear: "Here's a message for the hotheads of the community: Don't do that stuff," Judd said. "Good people carry guns and they will shoot you. A lot. Graveyard dead."

. . . [Uber] policy prohibits drivers and passengers from carrying firearms while using the Uber app to the extent permitted by local law.
This is yet another example that destroys the gun-grabber narrative.

I do not fear armed people like Westlake.

Nor do I fear the armed Floridians I know personally. In fact I feel safer knowing they are around. They are solid citizens of good moral character.

Perhaps I should cross-post this in ed's thread: Why Florida is an awsome place to live.

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Re: Examples of self defense with a gun

Post by Pyrrho » Mon Sep 03, 2018 12:59 am


The flash of light you saw in the sky was not a UFO. Swamp gas from a weather balloon was trapped in a thermal pocket and reflected the light from Venus.

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Re: Examples of self defense with a gun

Post by xouper » Mon Sep 03, 2018 2:35 am

Pyrrho wrote:
Mon Sep 03, 2018 12:59 am



More details here:

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Re: Examples of self defense with a gun

Post by Anaxagoras » Mon Sep 03, 2018 3:26 am

xouper wrote:
Tue Aug 14, 2018 5:35 am
Some people have argued that the son and daughter should not have had access to that gun.

Obviously I am not one of them.
With 20-20 hindsight, I guess it's easy to say that it's a good thing in this particular case that the children were able to retrieve the gun. Sometimes though, in other cases, children being able to get their hands on firearms has led to tragic events.
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Re: Examples of self defense with a gun

Post by xouper » Mon Sep 03, 2018 4:43 am

Anaxagoras wrote:
Mon Sep 03, 2018 3:26 am
xouper wrote:
Tue Aug 14, 2018 5:35 am
Some people have argued that the son and daughter should not have had access to that gun.

Obviously I am not one of them.
With 20-20 hindsight, I guess it's easy to say that it's a good thing in this particular case that the children were able to retrieve the gun. Sometimes though, in other cases, children being able to get their hands on firearms has led to tragic events.
Yes, good point.

Some parents are better at that than others.

When guns in the hands of children leads to tragic outcomes, that's on the parents.

In general, I prefer not to restrict the freedoms of responsible people merely because some people are irresponsible.

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Re: Examples of self defense with a gun

Post by WildCat » Mon Sep 03, 2018 6:18 pm

Pyrrho wrote:
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That was over 5 years ago.
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Re: Examples of self defense with a gun

Post by Pyrrho » Mon Sep 03, 2018 6:47 pm

Ah, well, my mistake. I wasn't aware that the statute of limitations on stupidity had run out.
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Re: Examples of self defense with a gun

Post by WildCat » Mon Sep 03, 2018 6:48 pm

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Ah, well, my mistake. I wasn't aware that the statute of limitations on stupidity had run out.
It was directed more at the person who tweeted it than you.
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Re: Examples of self defense with a gun

Post by Pyrrho » Mon Sep 03, 2018 7:01 pm

WildCat wrote:
Mon Sep 03, 2018 6:48 pm
Pyrrho wrote:
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Ah, well, my mistake. I wasn't aware that the statute of limitations on stupidity had run out.
It was directed more at the person who tweeted it than you.
Still...I usually check on these things...although this one has a good vibe to it, lessened only by the assailant not receiving a load of buckshot in the ass. Although one might suspect that a) it was staged and b) the victim knew better than to fire a shotgun that was sawed off to that extent.
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Re: Examples of self defense with a gun

Post by xouper » Mon Sep 03, 2018 7:16 pm

Pyrrho wrote:
Mon Sep 03, 2018 7:01 pm
Still...I usually check on these things...although this one has a good vibe to it, lessened only by the assailant not receiving a load of buckshot in the ass. Although one might suspect that a) it was staged and b) the victim knew better than to fire a shotgun that was sawed off to that extent.
Thank you for posting it anyway, since it was one I hadn't seen before.

And since it was an older example, we get the benefit of followup information, such as the bad guy got sentenced to seven years in jail contingent upon completing his GED while there.

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Re: Examples of self defense with a gun

Post by WildCat » Fri Sep 14, 2018 4:19 am

Citizen with concealed carry permit shot at suspect who shot at Cicero officer: police
CICERO, Ill. -- Authorities said a citizen who had a concealed carry permit shot at the person suspected of shooting at a Cicero police officer on Thursday.

A Cicero officer, identified as 31-year-old Luis Duarte, who officials said is a four-year veteran of the force, was shot multiple times around 5 p.m. Thursday near the Cicero Avenue entrance ramp on I-55 on the border of Chicago and Cicero.

During a press conference, Cicero Police Superintendent Jerry Chlada said officers attempted to make a traffic stop on a vehicle near 3900 South Cicero Avenue. The car refused to stop and officers were able to box him in at the entrance ramp. Chlada said the subject exited the vehicle and shot multiple rounds, striking an officer multiple times. The officer was shot four times.

The offender attempted to flee and another cop followed him on foot. The offender began firing shots once again, Chlada said. That's when a citizen with a concealed carry permit opened fire at the suspect.

The suspect was shot one time and taken to Stroger Hospital in serious condition. He is under Chicago police custody. It is unclear if the citizen struck the suspect, according to authorities.

Duarte is undergoing surgery at Mount Sinai Hospital and was stabilized. A Cicero spokesperson initially said the officer was in serious condition.

Police are asking the public to keep the officer and his family in their thoughts and prayers.

Cicero police officers do not have bodycams.
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Re: Examples of self defense with a gun

Post by xouper » Fri Sep 14, 2018 6:08 am

WildCat wrote:
Fri Sep 14, 2018 4:19 am
Citizen with concealed carry permit shot at suspect who shot at Cicero officer: police
CICERO, Ill. -- Authorities said a citizen who had a concealed carry permit shot at the person suspected of shooting at a Cicero police officer on Thursday.
This seems to be an example of the scenario that anti-gun advocates like to use to claim that the police will not know how to tell the good guys from the bad guys when the good guys with concealed carry get involved.

It seems however that in this particular example, the police were able to make that determination and the good guy with a gun did not get shot by the police.

I suppose it has happened, though, that a good guy got shot by the police by mistake, but that is not a good enough reason to take guns away from the good guys. In essence the anti-gun advocates seem to be arguing that it is for their own good that the good guys should not have a gun, but I reject that argument on the grounds that such a decision is not theirs to make, and that the decision belongs to the good guy, not the anti-gun advocates.

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Re: Examples of self defense with a gun

Post by WildCat » Fri Oct 05, 2018 2:30 pm

MILLCREEK — Shelby Hamilton’s first thought as she lay bruised and bleeding on the ground of a Millcreek Starbucks was that she didn’t want to die this way. It would be a painful way to go.

It all began while Hamilton was working an early morning shift at the coffee shop near 3900 South and 900 East Thursday morning. Hamilton was standing behind the counter when a “haggard-looking” man entered, she said.

Instead of coming to the register to order, the man came behind the counter and asked Hamilton if she knew who he was. When she replied that she didn’t, he became angry and began beating her with his fists, she said.

“It was all just kind of random. I didn’t really know him. … He just came in the door and hit me in the back of the head from behind,” Hamilton told KSL.com.

She backed up and tried to put distance between herself and the man, but once she reached the end of the counter, she was trapped — and he continued hitting her. Hamilton’s co-workers, however, remained frozen, unsure what to do, she said.

“I started to think why no one was helping me, ‘cause he was only hitting me, and I felt kind of angry for a moment,” she said.

Before Hamilton had much time to ponder the question, however, the man picked up a metal supply basket and hit her on the side of the head. Hamilton crumpled, and the man continued kicking her in the back. The only thought left in her mind was: "I don't want to die this way."

As soon as she fell to the ground, however, her co-workers ran out the door and began screaming for help. The next thing Hamilton knew, the man had stopped beating her and gone back around the counter.

Soon after, she heard a gunshot.

“The first thought in my head was that this had turned into a shooting,” she said. “My second thought was … he just shot my friends, and my third thought was … he’s going to come back here and shoot me.”

Hamilton said she crawled under the counter to hide from the would-be shooter, but it was the police that found her soon after. It was then she overheard on one of the officers’ radios that her attacker had been shot by a customer.

“My honest thought? I just hoped that he was dead,” she said.

Unified Police Lt. Ken Hansen confirmed later that the attacker was shot by a man in his late 60s who saw what was happening while visiting the shop for his morning coffee. The customer drew the man’s attention, and the attacker began to approach him.

As he came closer, the customer pulled out a gun and shot the attacker once in the chest, Hansen said. The man then stumbled out of the store.

Police arrived shortly after and used a Taser to take Benjamin Overall, 37, into custody. They then realized that Overall had been shot and summoned medical help for both Hamilton and Overall, Hansen said. Police believe Overall may have mental health issues, Hansen said.

Overall was transported to a hospital in serious condition — though he has since been upgraded to satisfactory. Hamilton was transported in fair condition, though she’s since been released — albeit with a black eye, swollen face, cuts and bruises covering her hands and back.

Hamilton is grateful, however, that she’s alive. And especially grateful for the man with a gun who she said is a frequent customer.

“I know his drink," she said. "He comes in every morning and gets a large, blonde coffee in his personal cup. He’s always been very sweet. He’s always been very patient.”

Hamilton was initially surprised, however, when she heard he had shot the attacker.

“I never would have expected that from him," she said. "He just seemed like a very meek guy. So I was surprised, but also very grateful. I was very grateful that he was there. And I was glad it was somebody we see regularly so that hopefully, in the future, I can thank him.”

The customer has a concealed carry permit, Hansen said, and, though he doesn’t know for sure if the customer will face charges, he believes the shooting can be interpreted as self-defense. The customer is being “very cooperative” with police, Hansen added.

“We are thankful all partners (employees) and customers are safe after going through such a terrifying experience," Starbucks said in an emailed statement. "Our focus is on supporting our partners at this time. We are grateful local authorities were there to help and would direct any further questions their way.”

In 2013, Starbucks made a request that customers not bring firearms into its stores or outdoor eating areas, but the company specified that it was a request and not an outright ban.

As for Hamilton, she’s just happy someone was there.

“I’m just really grateful to be alive, and I’m thankful for everyone who was there to help me,” she said.
https://www.ksl.com/article/46400745/st ... police-say

Starbucks issued a statement saying they were "grateful local authorities were there to help". No you fucking dipshits, a private citizen with a concealed firearm was there to help. The "local authorities" would have arrived to cart away the barista's body.
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Post by Giz » Fri Oct 05, 2018 3:56 pm

She's lucky someone responded before it was too latte.

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Re: Examples of self defense with a gun

Post by Witness » Tue Oct 23, 2018 1:22 am

Kentucky: Armed Homeowner Shoots Police Officer, NO Charges Filed

On October 10th, 2018, at about 5:30 a.m. at 522 Hathaway, in Owensboro, Kentucky, a young police officer was involved in a shootout with an armed homeowner. The officer had been chasing a suspect, and was searching a fenced in area.

The homeowner, David Turley, saw the suspicious activity in his backyard, and approached Zachary Morris, 23, the officer. Turley was holding a pistol at his side. Officer Morris shot at Turley, who returned fire as he took cover. Morris was hit, just below his bullet-resistant vest.
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Fortunately, Turley was not hit. The fact that Turley is not facing any charges in the case shows the culture in the United States is re-normalizing the role of armed citizens as legitimate.

Armed citizens defending themselves and their homes was common and accepted in the 1930's and before. In “Rise of the Anti-Media: In-Forming America's Concealed Weapon Carry Movement“, Dr. Brian Anse Patrick relates numerous newspaper reports of homeowners using firearms for defense in articles of the time.

It was during the mid-1960's, with the rise of the civil rights movement, that the media coalesced in demonizing citizen ownership of firearms for self-defense.
https://www.ammoland.com/2018/10/kentuc ... z5UNUQo0cJ

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Re: Examples of self defense with a gun

Post by Anaxagoras » Tue Oct 23, 2018 5:03 am

Suspect shot by security guard after breaking into FOX 5 building
WASHINGTON - A suspected intruder who was shot after kicking down the glass doors at WTTG FOX 5’s building in D.C. on Monday was known to both Fox executives and police, according to sources, and had leveled threats against both previously.

D.C. police responded to the building on Wisconsin Avenue in the Friendship Heights neighborhood as officials say the man had been shot in the station's lobby by an armed security guard after forcing his way through the glass doors at around 3:07 p.m. The suspect's entry into the building was captured on surveillance video from inside and outside of the entrance to the lobby area.

After entering the lobby, the suspect, identified as 38-year-old George Odemns, started walking directly towards the desk station in the direction of the main part of the building, according to the police report. The security guard drew her weapon and told the suspect he could not continue walking further into the building before shooting him once in the chest.

Odemns was taken out of on a stretcher and placed into an ambulance following the shooting. Police say he was taken to George Washington University Hospital in critical, but stable condition.

He was charged with second-degree burglary, officials say.

All of the employees at FOX 5 are safe following the incident.
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Re: Examples of self defense with a gun

Post by Anaxagoras » Mon Oct 29, 2018 11:19 am

Father dining with children fatally shoots masked man who opened fire inside McDonald’s

Story is a bit thin on details at the moment since none of the people involved are identified. Bad guy with a gun killed by a good guy with a gun. Unfortunately the good guy was critically injured in the exchange of fire but he's still alive.

ETA: here's a better source:
https://www.wbrc.com/2018/10/28/two-inj ... -shooting/

Apparently the father's injuries are not life-threatening. Good news.
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Re: Examples of self defense with a gun

Post by Skeeve » Tue Oct 30, 2018 9:32 am

A bit more on that...
A masked gunman who opened fire in an Alabama McDonald's restaurant on Saturday night was met with gunfire that ended his life from a pistol-packing father, a man who's been rightly praised as a hero by store employees.

According to WBRC-TV, an armed man wearing a mask entered the Birmingham McDonald's when an employee opened the front door for a father and his sons to leave the establishment. When the masked man opened fire, the father pulled out his pistol and began firing at the suspect.
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Though it is difficult to quantify how many innocent lives have been saved by a "good guy with a gun," Paul Hsieh, the co-founder of Freedom and Individual Rights in Medicine (FIRM), writing at Forbes notes that a study ordered by the openly pro-gun control Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) found "defensive use of guns by crime victims is a common occurrence."
https://www.dailywire.com/news/37734/ma ... stigiacomo

The article also references another study, link below:
https://www.forbes.com/sites/paulhsieh/ ... 344ed5edc5
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Re: Examples of self defense with a gun

Post by xouper » Sun Nov 04, 2018 7:08 am

Yet another example (includes surveillance video):
Man shot during attempted home invasion in Anderson

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Re: Examples of self defense with a gun

Post by ed » Sun Nov 04, 2018 10:24 am

xouper wrote:
Thu Aug 30, 2018 7:20 pm

Nor do I fear the armed Floridians I know personally. In fact I feel safer knowing they are around. They are solid citizens of good moral character.

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