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Information diversity

Post by Witness » Tue Apr 10, 2018 4:13 am

This is what happens when one company owns dozens of local news stations
Sinclair's script for stations
this is extremely dangerous to American democracy

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Re: Information diversity

Post by Abdul Alhazred » Tue Apr 10, 2018 9:20 am

The astonishing thing is how close this is to being true among media outlets *not* owned by the same company.
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Re: Information diversity

Post by Grammatron » Tue Apr 10, 2018 5:35 pm

It's so easy not to watch those TV stations

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Re: Information diversity

Post by sparks » Tue Apr 10, 2018 5:41 pm

Agreed. Talking head foolz.

Performers, not journalists.
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Re: Information diversity

Post by Abdul Alhazred » Tue Apr 10, 2018 5:48 pm

this is extremely dangerous to American democracy
But I disagree with this bit.

After all, back when I was a kid they had separate Bozo the Clowns in each big market (instead of one central Bozo) and nothing bad happened.

This is like that. 8)
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Re: Information diversity

Post by gnome » Tue Apr 10, 2018 6:47 pm

Abdul Alhazred wrote:
After all, back when I was a kid they had separate Bozo the Clowns in each big market (instead of one central Bozo) and nothing bad happened.
:shock: :shock: :shock: :shock:

That is dangerous to my sanity!
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Re: Information diversity

Post by Abdul Alhazred » Tue Apr 10, 2018 10:52 pm

Evidences:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bozo_the_ ... _Licensing
Unlike many other shows on television, "Bozo the Clown" was mostly a franchise as opposed to being syndicated, meaning that local TV stations could put on their own local productions of the show complete with their own Bozo. Another show that had previously used this model successfully was fellow children's program Romper Room. Because each market used a different portrayer for the character, the voice and look of each market's Bozo also differed slightly. One example is the voice and laugh of Chicago's WGN-TV Bob Bell, who also wore a red costume throughout the first decade of his portrayal.
But I knew this as a little kid after I watched Bozo while visiting Grandma (in another town).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bozo_the_ ... l_TV_Bozos

Didn't bother me in the slightest that Bozo had a southern accent. :coolspecs:
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Re: Information diversity

Post by Abdul Alhazred » Tue Apr 10, 2018 10:56 pm

Does anyone suppose that normal TV news (that is not Faux) is ad libbed?

Even the great Jack Benny had joke writers.
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Re: Information diversity

Post by sparks » Tue Apr 10, 2018 11:48 pm

We are fucking doomed.

Murrow, Cronkite etc. reported the news. They didn't make it up whole cloth. Of course there was a script. It was fact-checked. The Common Man(tm) had a fighting chance of learning what the fuck was going on back then.

Any talking head that ad libs spends a night in the box! (No wait, these shit heads do that all the time, because they think they're funny)

The talking heads of today are simply reading what they're told to read. They are performers, not journalists. And they have no fucking idea, and probably don't care, if any of it's an accurate account or not. They are photogenic, and they have a (modicum) of education in that they can read a fucking prompter. And that's about all it really takes, provided they agree to blow the boss on a regular basis.

And We The People(tm) are falling for this bullshit. And that is why...

We are fucking doomed.
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Re: Information diversity

Post by Grammatron » Tue Apr 10, 2018 11:58 pm

People today are just as capable of having critical thinking

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Re: Information diversity

Post by sparks » Tue Apr 10, 2018 11:59 pm

Agreed. But most do not. Too busy workin' that minimum wage job and staring at their phones.
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Re: Information diversity

Post by Grammatron » Wed Apr 11, 2018 12:06 am

That doesn't preclude critical thinking

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Re: Information diversity

Post by Abdul Alhazred » Wed Apr 11, 2018 12:10 am

Murrow was the last to be a journalist.

Cronkite was the last to have previously been a journalist.

Rather was the last to have pretended to be a journalist.

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Re: Information diversity

Post by sparks » Wed Apr 11, 2018 12:12 am

Do not agree. Change my mind.
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Re: Information diversity

Post by Abdul Alhazred » Wed Apr 11, 2018 12:19 am

All manner of things were tried in the early days of television that didn't catch on.

For example full length theater productions broadcast from an actual stage, rather than plays adapted to "made for TV" movies.

For example real journalists writing reports and reading them.

Some people around here want Faux's talking heads to get off their lawn. :BigGrin3:
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Re: Information diversity

Post by sparks » Wed Apr 11, 2018 2:28 am

Sorry. My comment was directed at Gram. Should have quoted.
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Re: Information diversity

Post by Grammatron » Wed Apr 11, 2018 2:29 am

What do you disagree with, exactly?

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Re: Information diversity

Post by sparks » Wed Apr 11, 2018 2:31 am

I think it does preclude critical thinking.

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verb: preclude; 3rd person present: precludes; past tense: precluded; past participle: precluded; gerund or present participle: precluding

prevent from happening; make impossible.

One needs time away from the distractions of modern life in order to do critical thinking. Let's ignore the fact that it isn't being taught, and that's a problem too.
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Re: Information diversity

Post by Grammatron » Wed Apr 11, 2018 2:39 am

That's a nice opinion, but you speak it as fact.
sparks wrote:But most do not.
Says who?
Too busy workin' that minimum wage job and staring at their phones.
Firstly, workin' any job, minimum wage or otherwise, in no way indicates the ability to think critically. Second, yes people stare into their phones but they can be looking at memes as much as they can be reading a scientific paper. The action of using ones phone does not indicate the ability to critically think, nor lack there of.

So....which part do you disagree with?

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Re: Information diversity

Post by Skeeve » Wed Apr 11, 2018 2:57 am

Abdul Alhazred wrote:
this is extremely dangerous to American democracy
But I disagree with this bit.

After all, back when I was a kid they had separate Bozo the Clowns in each big market (instead of one central Bozo) and nothing bad happened.

This is like that. 8)
Really?

They all looked the same to me AA.
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