Anniversary of Beatles breakup....

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Re: Anniversary of Beatles breakup....

Post by ed » Mon Apr 16, 2018 6:34 pm

No, not at all.

really.
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Re: Anniversary of Beatles breakup....

Post by Skeeve » Tue Apr 17, 2018 9:54 pm

Abdul Alhazred wrote:Lennon -- In his time, the world's richest "socialist".

Wrote a cute little song about how awful income taxes were and then buggered off to some offshore island tax haven. :BigGrin3:
You talking about TAXMAN?
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Re: Anniversary of Beatles breakup....

Post by Abdul Alhazred » Tue Apr 17, 2018 11:06 pm

Skeeve wrote:
Abdul Alhazred wrote:Lennon -- In his time, the world's richest "socialist".

Wrote a cute little song about how awful income taxes were and then buggered off to some offshore island tax haven. :BigGrin3:
You talking about TAXMAN?
That was George....
Well John performed in it before he moved to that offshore island. :mrgreen:
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Re: Anniversary of Beatles breakup....

Post by Witness » Wed Apr 18, 2018 1:44 am

gnome wrote:I call bullshit on this one. Not that it's inaccurate--but the choice to include or remove specific recorded elements (such as the shouting) is irrelevant of the question of using stereo vs. mono. Might as well go on a rant against colorization because the version of "It's a Wonderful Life" you saw was missing a scene.
I think you are confusing two things:
1. "Mono" and "stereo" used as labels to distinguish the two versions (and that's where the differences in content come up);
2. his argument that the stereo version is technically poorer:
Jesus Diaz wrote:I was blown away. George Martin was oh so right: The songs do sound different. I was so surprised, that at the beginning I freaked out. "What? What? How? What the fuck?" was in my mind all the time.

When Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band came up, my first impression was that the sound had more thump than the stereo mix. A lot more thump, for a lack of a better word. It was like someone was beating me with a hammer. It was kind of noisy, but it filled my head and pushed me in a way the stereo version didn't.

Then good old Ringo—my favorite Beatle—came up singing With A Little Help From My Friends. Same effect. It felt weird, but so much better. I kept coming back to the stereo versions for comparison and, before I noticed, I was thinking: "These sounds a lot weaker. These sound artificial." Gone was the separation of instruments in the right and left channel too, which now feels so wrong to me.

The fact is that it was artificial, since stereo was a novelty back then: Most people still listened to music in mono and stereo was the "new thing." As a result, producers overused it, just for the sake of it, like when 3D cinema came out and everything was an excuse to fire arrows and rocks and monsters at the public.

I definitely liked the way the mono version sounded—a lot more, even while I knew the stereo version till the last beat and note. LSD came up: same result. The sound is crisper and nearer. The bass a lot better. Again that special thump, even while this is such a delicate song. Getting Better gets better, and so does the rest, Fixing a Hole, She's Leaving Home, Being for the Benefit of Mr. Kite... I just couldn't have enough.
So bad post-production for the usual one. Can't judge, not having the "mono" version (and only a very scratchy "stereo" one).

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Re: Anniversary of Beatles breakup....

Post by sparks » Wed Apr 18, 2018 1:48 am

You ought to hear the HD version of Sgt. Peppers. CD version sounds like weak tea next to it. One of the better remasters I've heard.
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Re: Anniversary of Beatles breakup....

Post by Witness » Wed Apr 18, 2018 2:29 am

Link to a (the?) mono version: https://www.mixcloud.com/bobbyelvis/sgt ... e-beatles/. Technicalities unknown.