sparks wrote:But do you think suicides use all sorts of justifications/rationalizations then for doing something that can't be justified/rationalized?
Yes. Often, part of getting to that point is convincing yourself that you are doing the people who love a favor by making yourself gone. I have been there myself, and all to sadly seen it in the behavior of others both successful at it and otherwise.
sparks wrote:Or could there be instances where such an act is justified and rational?
I actually do but only in very, very VERY limited circumstances. I.e. I think someone who is in severe pain and dying from a disease like cancer is justified and rational in wanting to have a painless exit on their own terms. But it seriously has to be something very much along those lines for me to accept it as such.
sparks wrote:There's been a time or two when I've looked at my life and how I'd allowed others to fuck it up and thought, why the fuck not? Never did it, obviously. But, there can come times in ones life, as Listy alluded to earlier (grave emotional despair) at which point the person in question is in so much pain, there's no fucking way in hell they can see a way out of it, save the one we're talking about here.
See my comment above. I think taking your own life for something as vague as "your life is shitty" is indeed selfish as fuck. I have to admit, that in a way, as much as I loved my daughter, I am also very angry at her for all the pain she caused so many people including her mother and myself. I hate myself and feel like scum for being angry at her, but neither can I help it.
And these days when my own mind wanders into that territory (which, sadly, it always has, and probably always will), I keep that in mind