The First Mueller Anniversary

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Re: The First Mueller Anniversary

Post by gnome » Wed May 16, 2018 5:37 pm

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gnome wrote:I don't think the impact of a crime can be reduced only to which law was violated. There is a fair discussion to be had in how significant foreign interference was in our election or in our political culture. That is not settled by dismissing it because some of it was done by "only" identity theft.

Also, are there not occasionally good reasons for a special investigation to start with the small as part of checking for a larger problem?
Jeeze ....

The law is the law. What you are describing sounds uncomfortably close to the legal principles in the Third Reich where investigations, absent a crime, were ongoing and where, if a person were released from custody, they could be scooped up again because of the larger, undefined, impact of their crime.

I don't dismiss interference in our elections any more than I dismiss the impact of people participating who should not be. If there is evidence of a crime, it should be investigated.


(Bolding mine) I do not advocate prosecuting anyone for a non-crime. I do advocate that the severity of an actual crime may be affected by their intent.

Saying "russians" as license to have an open ended exploration of everything about everybody Muller feels should be investigated stinks. That is nazi behavior.

And, I submit, few could emerge from such an investigation unscathed, unindited and financially intact.


Possibly, but if you want to press the point with an example, a plan to commit multiple identity thefts doesn't fit the profile of relative innocence you seem to present. The only thing separating this aspect from precisely what Mueller is charged with looking for is the illegal participation of the domestic campaign. I don't think it's unreasonable to look for that among people who are trying to act in secret, and breaking laws to do it.
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Re: The First Mueller Anniversary

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Re: The First Mueller Anniversary

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Re: The First Mueller Anniversary

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Re: The First Mueller Anniversary

Post by corplinx » Mon Jul 02, 2018 2:34 am

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It is amazing to me how may wishful thinking Democrat voters have been duped into believing "the noose is tightening" so many times.

They live in a bizarro version of the world where Occupy Democrats facebook memes are news/facts.

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corplinx wrote:They live in a bizarro version of the world where Occupy Democrats facebook memes are news/facts.
Humanity has a very long tradition of living in a "bizarro version of the world where [insert favorite myths] are news/facts."

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Re: The First Mueller Anniversary

Post by gnome » Tue Jul 03, 2018 12:40 am

I would like to get away from thinking that an extended investigation was a waste if it yields no dramatic indictments. If it allowed us to be more confident of the truth, whichever way it landed, then it had value. I want leaders, Democrats and Republicans and other, to worry about becoming the subject of something like this. As corrupt as our government is now, I can only imagine how it would be if they didn't have to worry about something cracking it all open and shining a light in once in a while.
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Re: The First Mueller Anniversary

Post by ed » Tue Jul 03, 2018 1:16 am

In ages past the most trivial of crimes were punished with the most horrific punishments. Mutilation, burning, drawing and quartering, impalement. Yet people transgressed. Because it would always be the other guy who got caught. An indictment? It's nothing.
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Re: The First Mueller Anniversary

Post by Skeeve » Wed Sep 12, 2018 11:36 am

Abdul Alhazred wrote:
Wed May 16, 2018 2:55 pm
Mentat wrote:The Russians have a lot of practice covering their tracks. Who knew?
In short, the Russian allegations are true because they are non-disprovable. :lmao:
This must have been broached at some time, but Not in this thread I see...
Why Obama didn’t act on Russian election interference benefitting Trump
A recurring criticism of former President Barack Obama is that he should have done more to try to stop Russia from meddling in the 2016 presidential election in the U.S.
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“Question: If all of the Russian meddling took place during the Obama Administration, right up to January 20th, why aren’t they the subject of the investigation?” Trump tweeted on Feb. 21. “Why didn’t Obama do something about the meddling?”
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While the Obama administration privately warned Russia to stop interfering on behalf of Trump, Yahoo News Chief Investigative Correspondent Michael Isikoff says it’s fair to criticize Obama for not taking sterner action.

“At the end of the day, Obama was the president, and he’s the one who shrunk from action,” Isikoff told Grant Burningham, host of Yahoo News’ podcast “Bots & Ballots.”
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Re: The First Mueller Anniversary

Post by ed » Wed Sep 12, 2018 12:20 pm

gnome wrote:
Wed May 16, 2018 5:37 pm


Possibly, but if you want to press the point with an example, a plan to commit multiple identity thefts doesn't fit the profile of relative innocence you seem to present. The only thing separating this aspect from precisely what Mueller is charged with looking for is the illegal participation of the domestic campaign. I don't think it's unreasonable to look for that among people who are trying to act in secret, and breaking laws to do it.
As I said, no one, repeat, no one, can emerge from an investigation like Muellers, unscathed and probably unindited.

I might also point out that identity theft is de rigor for illegals. Is it a serious crime? It either is or isn't.

All I have seen from this investigation is bullshit charges, misconduct on the part of the investigators and really really abusive displays of power from the central government, viz that chick that is STILL being held even after the feds admitted that the original reason for arresting her has bogus.

Go perform the search that I did, look at the headlines.
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What is the real story?
Judge Chutkan also rebuked prosecutors from the United States Attorney’s Office for the District of Columbia, which brought the charges, for mistakenly alleging in court filings that Ms. Butina had offered sex in exchange for a job as part of her work for the Russian government. On Friday, prosecutors acknowledged that they had misinterpreted her innocent text messages with a friend.

The judge told Erik Michael Kenerson, an assistant United States attorney, that she was “dismayed” by the mistake. It took her no more than five minutes, she said, to review the messages and conclude they were meant in jest.
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/09/10/us/p ... aring.html

The FBI.... let me repeat the fucking FBI provided the evidence that landed her in the slammer. THE FBI that you fund with your meager earnings. Doesn't that set off an alarm bell?

What this last episode tells me is that they will do anything, bend any law, imprison any innocent in order to advance their agenda. That, my friend, is exactly what the real Nazi's did. Subvert law, and do it right in the open daring anyone to criticise.

Now tell me again how this Mueller thing is not political bullshit and please give me an example or two that supports the contention. Everything about it is either a lie or damn close to it. No collusion, no meetings that Trump knew about, bullshit FISA warrants ... don't get me started on that crap.

So I float a story. It appears in multiple "news" outlets then I use it to lock you up? Or at least investigate you for two years? Pauper you. I don't see, at this juncture, how any thinking person can support a continuation of this bullshit.
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Re: The First Mueller Anniversary

Post by Giz » Wed Sep 12, 2018 5:45 pm

Its not often you get a witch hunt on behalf of the witch.

(Just kidding! It was Her turn really! Don't lock me up! )