Tommy Robinson & UK 'grooming gangs.'

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Re: Tommy Robinson & UK 'grooming gangs.'

Post by Skeeve » Sat Jul 21, 2018 4:58 pm

Oh WTF, lets talk about another Grooming Gang scandal.....
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"Sadly, of course, this is not the first example that we have seen taking place across our country.
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An investigation by the Sunday Mirror investigation found that up to 1,000 girls in the Shropshire town may have been victims of grooming gangs since the 1980s.

The newspaper called it Britain’s “worst known abuse scandal” proportionate to Telford’s size, comparing the scale to the grooming of 1,500 victims in Rotherham and saying girls as young as 11 had been drugged, beaten and raped.

Ms Allan said young white working class girls had been traded for sex in “a routine way” over 40 years.

“These young girls are too often white working class with multiple vulnerabilities and that is why the perpetrators are targeting them,” she told a Westminster Hall debate.
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Re: Tommy Robinson & UK 'grooming gangs.'

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British-Pakistani researchers say 84% of grooming gang members are Asian: 'It's very important we talk about it'
A think tank has claimed that 84 per cent of people convicted of child grooming-gang offences since 2005 were Asian.

In a new study, Quilliam says its researchers discovered differences in the way paedophiles from different backgrounds operated.

It said white offenders often acted alone, while child abusers from Asian backgrounds were more likely to work in so-called grooming gangs.

The organisation, which usually focuses on counter-extremism, said it found 222 of 264, or 84 per cent, of people convicted of specific grooming-gang crimes in the UK since 2005 were Asian.
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Mr Rafiq told Sky News: “I’m from the heart of where one of the biggest high-profile cases has happened over the last few years, and I’m saying it’s very important that we do talk about it because the problem won’t go away.

We didn’t want there to be a pattern of people from our ethnic demographic carrying out these attacks. But unfortunately we were proven wrong.
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“British white men they tend to work individually. They tend to work online where they groom and they are the majority of perpetrators.

“When it comes to Asian men or Pakistani men they tend to do it in groups.”
Nothing makes a good rape gang like the "vibrant diversity" being promulgated by champagne socialists...

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Re: Tommy Robinson & UK 'grooming gangs.'

Post by Anaxagoras » Tue Jul 24, 2018 2:09 am

This is not exactly the same, but it's another example of how the British police, when they give out information about a crime, can be very vague and obscure in a way that makes it seem like they are trying to cover something up. Trying to keep the general public from learning specific facts about the case.

Boy, 3, in acid attack and his mother put under police protection as four arrested for 'unspeakable crime'
A three-year-old boy targeted in an acid attack has been put under police protection along with his mother after the arrest of four men for an “unspeakable crime” caught on camera.

The boy suffered burns to his face and arms after a substance - described as a "pungent pink chemical" - was thrown or sprayed on him in a home discount store in Worcester while he sat in a buggy pushed by his mother.

Sources have told The Telegraph that police believe the boy was targeted on Saturday at the Home Bargains store as part of a wider community dispute.
What sort of community dispute? It's all very vague.
Police have refused to discuss any motive for the attack on the child but insisted it was not related to a march by the English Defence League, a far-Right, anti-Islamic organisation, held in Worcester at the same time.

One theory for the assault is that the mother and child had recently moved to Worcester and that the attacker, or attackers, followed her there.

A 39-year-old man was arrested in Wolverhampton on Sunday and three men, aged 22, 25 and 26 were detained on Monday in an early morning raid at a house in Walthamstow in east London. All four are being questioned on suspicion of conspiracy to commit grievous bodily harm.

A West Mercia Police source said: “The mother fears for her safety and wellbeing and that of her little boy. This is an unspeakable crime.

“Police also fear for the safety of the mother and child and they’ve been temporarily moved away from their home while our investigation continues. They are under police protection. They are safe but still in a state of shock by what happened.”

The child suffered serious burns but was discharged from hospital on Monday. A well-placed source said: “It would appear to be an issue within a community rather than linked to some of the wilder theories going around. I understand the woman and child only moved to Worcester recently.”
Mind you even these extremely vague euphemisms are coming from "sources" and not any official statement from the police. Apparently there is some sort of "community" in Worcester, and in this "community" there is some kind of "dispute". Over what is unclear.

Again, it all leads to the suspicion that the police are trying to withhold certain information from the public.
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Re: Tommy Robinson & UK 'grooming gangs.'

Post by Giz » Tue Jul 24, 2018 2:58 am

I’m sure that officialdom knows best. If the public must discuss something, why can’t it be feel-good topics? Much less chance of a thought crime that way. Perhaps voting should be limited to x-factor, the probes do seem to mess things up.

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Re: Tommy Robinson & UK 'grooming gangs.'

Post by Doctor X » Tue Jul 24, 2018 9:09 am

The contrary is that the state would rather prefer one fucked-up racist who changes his name to pretend he is not a racist does not get the trial of the very people he claims to hate ruined by his behavior.

Good has already lost in this one, long ago.

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Re: Tommy Robinson & UK 'grooming gangs.'

Post by Giz » Tue Jul 24, 2018 12:25 pm

Verily, my comment was that the apparatus of the British state does not trust the citizenry. Not that any particular citizen, I.e. Tommy Wogsbegone, is worthy of that trust.

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Re: Tommy Robinson & UK 'grooming gangs.'

Post by Doctor X » Tue Jul 24, 2018 8:57 pm

Anon, it was that I respond with pleasure,
To the often conflicting intent of the,
Police who protect the citizens and,
The Press who feast upon the evil that Men Do,
Yet still serve to watch the Watchmen for All.

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Re: Tommy Robinson & UK 'grooming gangs.'

Post by Abdul Alhazred » Tue Jul 24, 2018 9:50 pm

I still think the police must have been getting a cut of the proceeds.

It really makes no sense otherwise "political correctness" notwithstanding.
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Re: Tommy Robinson & UK 'grooming gangs.'

Post by Skeeve » Fri Jul 27, 2018 12:11 am

Abdul Alhazred wrote:
Tue Jul 24, 2018 9:50 pm
I still think the police must have been getting a cut of the proceeds.

It really makes no sense otherwise "political correctness" notwithstanding.
So you think the Paki-Muslims "Asian Grooming Gangs"© paid the bobbies off, or perhaps, offered them some other form of compensation then?.

Anyway...
Home Secretary orders investigation into ethnic origin of sexual grooming gangs
Sajid Javid has ordered an investigation into why members of sexual grooming gangs are disproportionately from a Pakistani background.

The Home Secretary said the controversial move would explore the “particular characteristics” of offenders in order to prevent cases like those suffered in Rotherham, Telford and Newcastle.

Mr Javid said that the issue would be addressed head on as the government “attaches the highest priority to tackling child sexual exploitation”.
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Re: Tommy Robinson & UK 'grooming gangs.'

Post by Skeeve » Wed Aug 01, 2018 1:39 pm

Tommy Robinson freed on bail as court orders retrial
Tommy Robinson, the founder of the English Defence League, is to be freed from prison after the court of appeal ordered that he should be retried on a contempt of court charge.

He has been held at Onley jail near Rugby after receiving a 13-month sentence for breaches of reporting restrictions at Leeds and Canterbury crown courts.

At the court of appeal on Wednesday, the lord chief justice, Lord Burnett of Maldon, upheld the Canterbury conviction but said the ruling in Leeds was “flawed” and there should be a retrial.

Robinson, the appeal court said, would be released on bail on condition that he attended the retrial before the recorder of London at a date to be fixed and keep a distance of at least 400 metres from Leeds crown court.
So bring along a good tape measure next time..okay?

AND FROM: The Sun
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Giving only a brief statement, Robinson said: "I want to thank the British public for all their support." He then sped away from the scene in a waiting car.

On the Free Tommy Robinson Facebook page a post said he was "over the moon" about the ruling and will be going on holiday with his family.

The Facebook post said: "Tommy just called his family from prison to ask what the outcome was - he said prisoners were shouting that he was going home but he did not want to believe them. He is over the moon."
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The Secret Barrister - Eats Crow

Post by Skeeve » Wed Aug 01, 2018 5:03 pm

asthmatic camel wrote:
Wed Jun 13, 2018 3:09 am
My final word on this...

We have an ancient tradition here of trial by jury, not trial by media or mob. It may well be that the defendants in these cases are guilty but, until this is proven, they are innocent. Twats like "Tommy Robinson" screaming "Muslim Paedophiles!" while the case is being tried only serve to incite racial hatred and prejudice. I hope but doubt that he'll serve the entire thirteen months of the sentence he was given for contempt of court.

And a comment from the secret barrister. here.

Worth a read if you've not had enough already..
UPDATE: The Secret Barrister - Eats Crow
The Tommy Robinson judgment – what does it all mean?
Posted on August 1, 2018 by thesecretbarrister
Today the Court of Appeal (Criminal Division) handed down judgment in the appeal of Stephen Yaxley-Lennon (AKA Tommy Robinson), partially allowing the appeal and directing a rehearing at the Crown Court.
What does this mean? Has Tommy been proven innocent? Is this a victory for freedom of speech?

Let’s break it down.
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***re-hash of shit we already know****
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10. What about Leeds Crown Court?

This was very different. The time between arrest and imprisonment was five hours. The Court of Appeal was highly critical:
“Such haste gave rise to a real risk that procedural safeguards would be overlooked, the nature of the contempt alleged would remain inadequately scrutinised and that points of significant mitigation would be missed. Those risks materialised.”
The Court of Appeal said that the judge was right to order that Robinson immediately take down the video, but that he should then have “taken stock”.
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11. So the Court of Appeal quashed the Leeds contempt?
It did, and all consequential orders (i.e. the sentence) fell away. However that is not the end of it.
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...(yea it never is)...
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14. This shows that you know NOTHING, fake barrister. You were wrong, weren’t you?

Yes. My initial impression, based on the limited information available, was that the summary procedure was appropriate in the Leeds case. As the Court of Appeal explained, it was not. There were alternatives open to the judge which should have been explored.
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Re: Tommy Robinson & UK 'grooming gangs.'

Post by Skeeve » Fri Aug 03, 2018 12:55 pm

Tommy Robinson on Tucker Carlson.





And commentary: Raheem Kassam discusses Tommy Robinson’s release on BBC Radio 4 Today.

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Re: Tommy Robinson & UK 'grooming gangs.'

Post by Abdul Alhazred » Fri Aug 03, 2018 4:56 pm

Abdul Alhazred wrote:
Tue Jul 24, 2018 9:50 pm
I still think the police must have been getting a cut of the proceeds.

It really makes no sense otherwise "political correctness" notwithstanding.
Am I really the only one who thought of this? Not just here but everywhere?

Or is it axiomatic that British cops are 100% "honest" even when tolerating massive illegal enterprises. :roll:
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Re: Tommy Robinson & UK 'grooming gangs.'

Post by Giz » Fri Aug 03, 2018 5:40 pm

Abdul Alhazred wrote:
Fri Aug 03, 2018 4:56 pm
Abdul Alhazred wrote:
Tue Jul 24, 2018 9:50 pm
I still think the police must have been getting a cut of the proceeds.

It really makes no sense otherwise "political correctness" notwithstanding.
Am I really the only one who thought of this? Not just here but everywhere?

Or is it axiomatic that British cops are 100% "honest" even when tolerating massive illegal enterprises. :roll:
Is not that british cops are incorruptible, it's that there don't seem to be much proceeds. It wasn't a cash cow, it was a rape farm. (Unless you mean, a significant amount of the force are pedoplods?).

Covering it up for pc reasons (or because the force had a significant community presence) seems like the occams razor assumption.

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Post by Skeeve » Mon Aug 06, 2018 12:24 am

Meanwhile, unlike the (self serving IMHO) apologetic from the Secret Barrister, this video is rather scathing.



A few bits from the 3-page summary will illustrate.
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The court agrees that the judge should not have commenced the hearing of contempt proceedings that day.
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The order at Leeds Crown Court was also erroneously drawn up to suggest the appellant had been convicted of a criminal offence rather than having been committed for contempt of court [70].

Errors like this have serious consequences upon the classification of prisoners, resulting in the deprivation of privileges [74] and release on licence [75]. In this case, it also resulted in the erroneous imposition of a victim surcharge [76].

The finding of contempt in Leeds is quashed[77]. All consequential orders fall away.
The court remits the matter of alleged contempt at Leeds Crown Court to be heard again before a different judge [78]. The appellant is granted conditional bail pending the rehearing [86].
Link: https://www.judiciary.uk/wp-content/upl ... ummary.pdf

If you are really up for it, here is the full (24 page) Full Judgement.
https://www.judiciary.uk/wp-content/upl ... ment-1.pdf
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Re: Tommy Robinson & UK 'grooming gangs.'

Post by Witness » Wed Aug 08, 2018 3:57 am

Instagram reinstates Tommy Robinson's deleted account

Company understood to have removed page in error after moderator decided it broke community guidelines
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/201 ... my-account

"Removed in error", sure. :roll:

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Re: Tommy Robinson & UK 'grooming gangs.'

Post by Witness » Thu Aug 09, 2018 3:04 am

Related:
Rochdale grooming trio to lose British citizenship

Abdul Aziz, Adil Khan and Qari Abdul Rauf were among nine jailed for crimes including rape and trafficking of girls as young as 13 in Rochdale, in 2012.

Theresa May, then Home Secretary, ruled in 2015 that the Pakistani nationals should not remain British.

Court of Appeal judges rejected their challenge. The ruling means they could be deported.

The men had lost earlier legal challenges against the decision, which they argued violated their human right to family life.

But senior judges ruled on Wednesday that the previous tribunals had made a "proper and lawful assessment" of the likelihood of deportation.

Lord Justice Sales said: "Given the extremely serious nature of the offending by each appellant, there is no good ground for calling that conclusion into question."

Aziz, Khan and Rauf were given jail sentences of between six and nine years in 2012 but have since been released on licence.
[…]
While the decision paves the way for the government to deport them at the end of their sentences, they would have a further legal right to appeal and the process could take months.

A Home Office spokeswoman said: "This was an appalling case. We welcome the court's finding and will now consider next steps."
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-m ... r-45114152

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Re: Tommy Robinson & UK 'grooming gangs.'

Post by Giz » Thu Aug 09, 2018 3:09 am

Witness wrote:
Thu Aug 09, 2018 3:04 am
Related:
Rochdale grooming trio to lose British citizenship

Abdul Aziz, Adil Khan and Qari Abdul Rauf were among nine jailed for crimes including rape and trafficking of girls as young as 13 in Rochdale, in 2012.

Theresa May, then Home Secretary, ruled in 2015 that the Pakistani nationals should not remain British.

Court of Appeal judges rejected their challenge. The ruling means they could be deported.

The men had lost earlier legal challenges against the decision, which they argued violated their human right to family life.

But senior judges ruled on Wednesday that the previous tribunals had made a "proper and lawful assessment" of the likelihood of deportation.

Lord Justice Sales said: "Given the extremely serious nature of the offending by each appellant, there is no good ground for calling that conclusion into question."

Aziz, Khan and Rauf were given jail sentences of between six and nine years in 2012 but have since been released on licence.
[…]
While the decision paves the way for the government to deport them at the end of their sentences, they would have a further legal right to appeal and the process could take months.

A Home Office spokeswoman said: "This was an appalling case. We welcome the court's finding and will now consider next steps."
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-m ... r-45114152

Bwahahaha, “The men had lost earlier legal challenges against the decision, which they argued violated their human right to family life.”

Yeah, they had shown how much they respected humanity and family.

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Re: Tommy Robinson & UK 'grooming gangs.'

Post by Doctor X » Thu Aug 09, 2018 5:18 am

It is just a different cultural perspective, Giz.

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Re: Tommy Robinson & UK 'grooming gangs.'

Post by Skeeve » Thu Aug 09, 2018 11:14 am

Giz wrote:
Thu Aug 09, 2018 3:09 am
Witness wrote:
Thu Aug 09, 2018 3:04 am
Related:
Rochdale grooming trio to lose British citizenship

Abdul Aziz, Adil Khan and Qari Abdul Rauf were among nine jailed for crimes including rape and trafficking of girls as young as 13 in Rochdale, in 2012.
...
The men had lost earlier legal challenges against the decision, which they argued violated their human right to family life.
...
Aziz, Khan and Rauf were given jail sentences of between six and nine years in 2012 but have since been released on licence.
[…]
While the decision paves the way for the government to deport them at the end of their sentences, they would have a further legal right to appeal and the process could take months.

A Home Office spokeswoman said: "This was an appalling case. We welcome the court's finding and will now consider next steps."
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-m ... r-45114152
Bwahahaha, “The men had lost earlier legal challenges against the decision, which they argued violated their human right to family life.”

Yeah, they had shown how much they respected humanity and family.
I imagine they respect Muslim women and children, however; "white girls, some as young as 13" are just Kafir, so what's the big deal?


After all the prophet has said:
Spoiler:
Raping kafirs is acceptable.
Muhammad was clear that it is not zina (adultery),
and that any marriage to another man is anulled by god.

You may not however rape kafirs that are sex slaves of another muslim man.

https://www.quora.com/Is-rape-legal-in- ... acceptable
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