The War on Thoughts and Prayers

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Re: The War on Thoughts and Prayers

Post by ed » Mon Jun 04, 2018 5:56 pm

Nyarlathotep wrote:Nah, you are just trying to convince people that any criticism of Trump or of the Right in general somehow makes them stronger so they shouldn't do it.
That would be the position of the left, no?
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Re: The War on Thoughts and Prayers

Post by Nyarlathotep » Mon Jun 04, 2018 6:32 pm

No. Not sure where you got that from. The left likes deplatforming. The new thing on the Right is just what I said
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Re: The War on Thoughts and Prayers

Post by Abdul Alhazred » Mon Jun 04, 2018 6:53 pm

Nyarlathotep wrote:No. Not sure where you got that from. The left likes deplatforming. The new thing on the Right is just what I said
In fact both are both, but not always to the same degree or in detail.
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Re: The War on Thoughts and Prayers

Post by Nyarlathotep » Mon Jun 04, 2018 6:56 pm

That’s probably true
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Re: The War on Thoughts and Prayers

Post by ed » Mon Jun 04, 2018 8:15 pm

Nyarlathotep wrote:No. Not sure where you got that from. The left likes deplatforming. The new thing on the Right is just what I said
No, not at all.

You said
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Nah, you are just trying to convince people that any criticism of Trump or of the Right in general somehow makes them stronger so they shouldn't do it.
Why would the right not want such criticism to go on?

Or is this like n-dimensional chess? Are you contending that they take that position to make them shut up? If so you are going to have to provide evidence that any such barque effort exists anywhere other than movies.
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Re: The War on Thoughts and Prayers

Post by Nyarlathotep » Mon Jun 04, 2018 8:36 pm

Are you seriously asking why people would want to shut up their political opposition? Or that this is somehow an unusual thing? Hell, isn't your contention that the Left tries to shut up THEIR opposition? Why would the right be any more noble? Oh wait, I forgot to whom I was asking that last one. Of course you are going to answer yes.

Do you also want an explanation as to why bears shit in the woods?
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Re: The War on Thoughts and Prayers

Post by ed » Mon Jun 04, 2018 8:41 pm

But you are saying
"Nah, you are just trying to convince people that any criticism of Trump or of the Right in general somehow makes them stronger so they shouldn't do it."
Why would they shut up anyone if they believed that the critisism would make Trump stronger?
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Re: The War on Thoughts and Prayers

Post by Nyarlathotep » Mon Jun 04, 2018 8:51 pm

Seriously, are you that dense? I will use the smallest words possible

Because they don't actually believe that it makes him stronger. They just want YOU to believe it.
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Re: The War on Thoughts and Prayers

Post by corplinx » Tue Jun 05, 2018 5:38 am

I don't have to convince you of anything, just monitor any pro-trump echo chamber. You can observe them. (like abdul does DU)

They aren't in fumes registering people to vote because of the latest Trump excesses documented at rightwingwatch.
They aren't in fumes registering people to vote because of the latest Trump excesses documented at The Intercept.
They aren't in fumes registering people to vote because of the latest Trump excesses documented at Reason.
They aren't in fumes registering people to vote because of the latest Trump excesses documented at The Economist.


They are in fumes because people pull fire alarms on conservative speakers, people no-platform right wingers every chance they get, they see things like groundswells against thoughts and prayers, they see FakeNews on CNN, they see sourceless "News" left and right that turns out to be BS. They see a washington press corps in denial about things like wiretaps and spying and then being apologists for it when it turns out to be true.

They just ignore the well sourced non-vitriolic stuff.

You seem to think that's all there is...

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Re: The War on Thoughts and Prayers

Post by Doctor X » Tue Jun 05, 2018 5:59 am

Nyarlathotep wrote:Do you also want an explanation as to why bears shit in the woods?
Because the Pope is Catholic.

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Re: The War on Thoughts and Prayers

Post by Nyarlathotep » Tue Jun 05, 2018 6:29 am

corplinx wrote:
You seem to think that's all there is...
Mostly because the other stuff is "criticism" on par with "Those gosh darn lovable scamps are at it again..."
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Re: The War on Thoughts and Prayers

Post by Anaxagoras » Tue Jun 05, 2018 6:44 am

As a self-identifying liberal (which is not exactly the same as "leftist" as I define it) I will say this:

I've noticed for some time that some leftists and liberals have a smugness problem, one which I myself used to fall victim to.

Which is not to say that there aren't also a lot of smug, arrogant people on the right, too. There most assuredly are.

But on the left sometimes there is either a lack of self-awareness, or even a sort of self-satisfaction in feeling superior to those ignorant rednecks and racists on the other side.

It's very easy to fall into feeling superior when you know that you are correct and the other side believes in a delusion. Like creationists for example. I know that evolution is correct because I have "done my homework" and even though I'm not a world's leading expert on the subject like Dawkins, I know enough to know that the evidence is overwhelming. So it's hard sometimes to not feel a little superior to people who believe in a fairy tale instead of a scientific worldview. But politically I think it is self-defeating to give in to that feeling of superiority. In the end, everyone's shit still stinks, your own included, so have a little humility. Just because you're right about one thing doesn't mean there aren't 100 other reasons to be humble. And religious people tend to have a conscience. I don't mean the hucksters who sell it, and use it to enrich themselves, but the people who believe. Their beliefs tend to be sincere.
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Re: The War on Thoughts and Prayers

Post by Nyarlathotep » Tue Jun 05, 2018 7:01 am

A conscience is a rare thing, religious or no
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Re: The War on Thoughts and Prayers

Post by Doctor X » Tue Jun 05, 2018 7:16 am

Hippy!

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Re: The War on Thoughts and Prayers

Post by Abdul Alhazred » Tue Jun 05, 2018 9:02 am

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Nyarlathotep wrote:Do you also want an explanation as to why bears shit in the woods?
Because the Pope is Catholic.

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Over by Free Republic there's some doubt about that last bit.

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Re: The War on Thoughts and Prayers

Post by Skeeve » Tue Jun 05, 2018 1:01 pm

I just couldn't resist...time for some THOT's & prayers!

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Re: The War on Thoughts and Prayers

Post by Abdul Alhazred » Tue Jun 05, 2018 1:25 pm

Anti-pun fatwa time! :MuhammadBoom:
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Re: The War on Thoughts and Prayers

Post by Skeeve » Tue Jun 05, 2018 3:03 pm

Abdul Alhazred wrote:Anti-pun fatwa time! :MuhammadBoom:

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Re: The War on Thoughts and Prayers

Post by corplinx » Tue Jun 05, 2018 3:54 pm

I'm so old, I don't know what a thot is.

And I've even seen pewdiepie's meme reviews.

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Re: The War on Thoughts and Prayers

Post by Abdul Alhazred » Tue Jun 05, 2018 4:37 pm

Acronym: That Ho Over There
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