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Space Force

Post by Pyrrho » Mon Jun 18, 2018 7:56 pm

Is that what we're calling pork these days.

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/06/18/preside ... ranch.html
President Donald Trump declared Monday he will move to make a new branch of the military focused solely on space.

"I am hereby directing the Department of Defense and Pentagon to immediately begin the process necessary to establish a space force as the sixth branch of the armed forces," Trump said during a meeting of the National Space Council.

"Our destiny beyond the Earth is not only a matter of national identity but a matter of national security," Trump said.

The Pentagon and Air Force did not immediately respond to CNBC's request for comment.
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Re: Space Force

Post by Giz » Mon Jun 18, 2018 8:06 pm

Pyrrho wrote:Is that what we're calling pork these days.

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/06/18/preside ... ranch.html
President Donald Trump declared Monday he will move to make a new branch of the military focused solely on space.

"I am hereby directing the Department of Defense and Pentagon to immediately begin the process necessary to establish a space force as the sixth branch of the armed forces," Trump said during a meeting of the National Space Council.

"Our destiny beyond the Earth is not only a matter of national identity but a matter of national security," Trump said.

The Pentagon and Air Force did not immediately respond to CNBC's request for comment.
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Is there funding, or are we just nationally self-identifying as a space power?

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Re: Space Force

Post by Rob Lister » Mon Jun 18, 2018 8:20 pm

Just to be clear, there's a thread on that
viewtopic.php?f=6&t=47159&p=891927&hili ... ps#p891927
Mr. Lister wrote:So Sorry, Space Cadets
Well, it looks like America won't be getting its own army of space marines—at least not this year. CNN reports Congress has dropped a proposal to create a new "Space Corps"—similar to the Marine Corps but spacier—from the final version of the $692 billion National Defense Authorization Act. According to the Hill, the proposal described the duties of the Space Corps as "deterring aggression in, from, and through space [and] providing combat-ready space forces," among other things.
http://www.newser.com/story/251328/us-w ... rines.html

Who the fuck proposed it in the first place? I don't want to say that idea is dumb but it sure don't talk good.

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Re: Space Force

Post by corplinx » Mon Jun 18, 2018 8:35 pm

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Re: Space Force

Post by WildCat » Mon Jun 18, 2018 9:00 pm

It's not silly. We have a lot of military infrastructure in space and it makes sense to have an arm of the military to defend it. China, for example, has been developing satellite killer spacecraft for over 20 years.
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Re: Space Force

Post by Pyrrho » Mon Jun 18, 2018 9:17 pm

I am sure that the US Space Force will be run just as smartly and efficiently as the rest of the armed forces.

Mattis had this to say a while ago...

http://static.politico.com/11/99/eab4f5 ... letter.pdf

...but to WildCat's point...
Even Secretary of Defense Jim Mattis came out against it. “I oppose the creation of a new military service and additional organizational layers at a time when we are focused on reducing overhead and integrating joint warfighting efforts,” Mattis wrote in a letter to congressional defense leaders last October.

Of course, there’s nothing stopping Trump from wanting a space force or even ordering its establishment. It’s just an open question as to whether there will ever be a space force.

“[T]he near-term practical effect of all this is that the president can direct DoD to come up with a plan and start preparing to create a space force, but he still needs congress to authorize it,” Todd Harrison, a defense expert at the Center for Strategic and International Studies think tank, tweeted on Monday.

There’s a good case to make for a space force, though.

“Space is no longer a peaceful domain,” Deborah Lee James, the Obama administration’s final Air Force secretary, said in an interview last July. “There is a real possibility that a conflict on Earth could bleed into space.”

There are two main reasons for that: Russia and China. According to the Defense Intelligence Agency, Russia wants to gain more power in space because it believes gaining supremacy there will allow it to win future fights on this planet. And in late 2015, China created the Strategic Support Force, which is meant to streamline and improve its space, cyber, and electronic warfare missions.
The Brits are already on it, though.

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Re: Space Force

Post by Pyrrho » Mon Jun 18, 2018 9:18 pm

Or...

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Re: Space Force

Post by Pyrrho » Mon Jun 18, 2018 9:22 pm

...plus the obligatory Japanese Original...

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Re: Space Force

Post by Abdul Alhazred » Mon Jun 18, 2018 9:56 pm

Downside:
At the current time we have no manned spacecraft and rely on the Russians for that.

Upside:
A new service academy whose students would be officially titled Space Cadets.

Hard to decide. :BigGrin3:
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Re: Space Force

Post by Abdul Alhazred » Mon Jun 18, 2018 9:57 pm

WildCat wrote:It's not silly. We have a lot of military infrastructure in space and it makes sense to have an arm of the military to defend it. China, for example, has been developing satellite killer spacecraft for over 20 years.
But seriously folks, we do have a USAF Space Command.

Why a new separate service?
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Re: Space Force

Post by Pyrrho » Mon Jun 18, 2018 11:04 pm

One word.

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Post by Doctor X » Mon Jun 18, 2018 11:34 pm

It needs a rousing song sung by a Very Serious Japanese Man.

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Re: Space Force

Post by WildCat » Mon Jun 18, 2018 11:48 pm

Abdul Alhazred wrote:
WildCat wrote:It's not silly. We have a lot of military infrastructure in space and it makes sense to have an arm of the military to defend it. China, for example, has been developing satellite killer spacecraft for over 20 years.
But seriously folks, we do have a USAF Space Command.

Why a new separate service?
Same reason the US Army Air Corps was changed to the US Air Force. So each service can be more narrowly focused.
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Re: Space Force

Post by Witness » Tue Jun 19, 2018 12:05 am

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Re: Space Force

Post by Abdul Alhazred » Tue Jun 19, 2018 12:08 am

WildCat wrote:
Abdul Alhazred wrote:
WildCat wrote:It's not silly. We have a lot of military infrastructure in space and it makes sense to have an arm of the military to defend it. China, for example, has been developing satellite killer spacecraft for over 20 years.
But seriously folks, we do have a USAF Space Command.

Why a new separate service?
Same reason the US Army Air Corps was changed to the US Air Force. So each service can be more narrowly focused.
Well OK, but about five centuries too early.
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Re: Space Force

Post by Pyrrho » Tue Jun 19, 2018 12:41 am

@tonyposnanski

BREAKING- Scott Baio has been chosen to head the Space Force although he has not been around stars in 30 years.
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Post by Abdul Alhazred » Tue Jun 19, 2018 12:51 am

Pyrrho wrote:
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BREAKING- Scott Baio has been chosen to head the Space Force although he has not been around stars in 30 years.
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Re: Space Force

Post by Pyrrho » Tue Jun 19, 2018 1:28 am

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Re: Space Force

Post by corplinx » Tue Jun 19, 2018 3:34 am

Two words for you:

Moon...

Base....

Right next to the glorious Trump Hotel New America. It's gonna be fabulous, believe you me. One of the greatest hotels in all the universe. It will be the envy of Russia, China, and Uranus.

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Re: Space Force

Post by Anaxagoras » Tue Jun 19, 2018 4:36 am

FWIW, here's the basic treaty that forms the basis of space law:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Outer_Space_Treaty

It doesn't outright ban weapons in space although it does ban "weapons of mass destruction." But no military base on the moon.
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