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Re: Bernie supporter ousts high-ranking Dem

Post by xouper » Thu Jul 19, 2018 12:33 am

WildCat wrote:Is Boston University a "real" college, or a diploma mill?
You could have looked it up yourself on wikipedia:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boston_University wrote:
Boston University (commonly referred to as BU) is a private, non-profit, research university in Boston, Massachusetts. The university is nonsectarian,[7] and is historically affiliated with the United Methodist Church.[8][9]

The university has more than 3,900 faculty members and nearly 33,000 students, and is one of Boston's largest employers.[10] It offers bachelor's degrees, master's degrees, and doctorates, and medical, dental, business, and law degrees through 17 schools and colleges on two urban campuses. . . .

BU is categorized as an R1: Doctoral University (very high research activity) in the Carnegie Classification of Institutions of Higher Education.[11] BU is a member of the Boston Consortium for Higher Education[12] and the Association of American Universities. The University was ranked 37th among undergraduate programs at national universities, and 39th among global universities by U.S. News & World Report in its 2017 rankings.[13]

Among its alumni and current or past faculty, the university counts eight Nobel Laureates, 23 Pulitzer Prize winners, 10 Rhodes Scholars,[14][15] six Marshall Scholars,[16] 48 Sloan Fellows,[17] nine Academy Award winners, and several Emmy and Tony Award winners. BU also has MacArthur, Fulbright, Truman and Guggenheim Fellowship holders as well as American Academy of Arts and Sciences and National Academy of Sciences members among its past and present graduates and faculty. In 1876, BU professor Alexander Graham Bell invented the telephone in a BU lab. . . .

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U.S. News & World Report ranks Boston University tied for 37th among national universities and 32nd among global universities for 2018.[85] Boston University was also ranked 10th among public health graduate schools, 12th among social work schools, tied for 20th among law schools, tied for 29th among medical schools (research), 35th among engineering schools, tied for 41st among business schools, and 45th among education schools.[86]

In 2014, BU's QSB undergraduate (business) program was ranked 23rd by Bloomberg Businessweek.[87]

QS World University Rankings ranked Boston University 81st overall in the world in its 2018 rankings, with a 5-star rating.

Times Higher Education ranked Boston University 64th in the world for 2016–17.

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The Academic Ranking of World Universities ranks Boston University 39th in the United States, and 75th in the world, in its 2016 list.

Newsweek (International Edition), in its list of the Top 100 Global Universities, ranked Boston University the 35th in the United States, and 65th in the world.[89]

The Economics department at Boston University is ranked 20th in the world as of February 2016.[90] Additionally, U.S. News & World Report ranks the program in economics 24th in the U.S. for 2017.[86]

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Quantnet ranks Boston University's Mathematical Finance program 14th in the world.[97]

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The Chronicle of Higher Education places the Boston University School of Social Work as sixth in the nation for research productivity by faculty.[99]

The Center for Measuring University Performance ranks Boston University among the top 50 research universities in the country.[100]

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It seems to me that one could do a lot worse than Boston University to get an economics degree. So I'm guessing that it's not the university's fault Ocasio-Cortez doesn't understand how unemployment (or capitalism) works.

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Re: Bernie supporter ousts high-ranking Dem

Post by WildCat » Thu Jul 19, 2018 1:03 am

xouper wrote:It seems to me that one could do a lot worse than Boston University to get an economics degree. So I'm guessing that it's not the university's fault Ocasio-Cortez doesn't understand how unemployment (or capitalism) works.
They gave her a degree, yes? I don't see how anyone who's a Socialist could pass ECON 101, let alone get a degree in it.
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Post by Anaxagoras » Thu Jul 19, 2018 1:17 am

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Grammatron wrote:Is this DNC's new course?
Socialist Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez 'represents the future of our party,' DNC Chairman Tom Perez says



And in other news, Ocasio-Cortez exposes her ignorance of economics, despite boasting on twitter that she has a degree in economics from Boston University.
www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/ wrote:During the interview, Ocasio-Cortez said, "Unemployment is low because everyone has two jobs. Unemployment is low because people are working 60, 70, 80 hours a week and can barely feed their family."

. . . We rate the statement Pants on Fire. Image
Error #1: The number of jobs a person has is irrelevant in calculating the unemployment rate. Either they are employed or not employed.

Error #2: According to government data, about five percent of people with jobs have more than one job, and that percentage has been declining over the past 20 years.

Error #3: The number of hours per week a person works is also irrelevant in calculating the unemployment rate.

If this is the future of the Democratic Party, then it seems to me they are doomed.
You know, to be fair, Trump has made scores of statements about the economy (and specifically about the unemployment rate) that are equally outrageous. Just one example:

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter ... mployment/
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Post by ed » Thu Jul 19, 2018 1:22 am

Her point may be that those people working two jobs and 60+ hours a week are taking up employment opportunities that otherwise would be vacant thus depressing the unemployment numbers. That is, on reflection, probably what she did mean.
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Post by Nyarlathotep » Thu Jul 19, 2018 1:32 am

Still makes no sense. If people are working two jobs and taking up employment unemployed people could take that would drive unemployment up.

If we lived on an island with 10 people and had 9 jobs and one person per job, we would have 10% unemployment on the island. If one person did two of those jobs we would have 20% unemployment. I can't see how that would fail to scale upwards with larger numbers
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Post by corplinx » Thu Jul 19, 2018 1:38 am

She is young, excited, in the spotlight, and will say dumb things. I'm okay with that.

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Post by shuize » Thu Jul 19, 2018 1:58 am

Nyarlathotep wrote:Still makes no sense. If people are working two jobs and taking up employment unemployed people could take that would drive unemployment up.

If we lived on an island with 10 people and had 9 jobs and one person per job, we would have 10% unemployment on the island. If one person did two of those jobs we would have 20% unemployment. I can't see how that would fail to scale upwards with larger numbers
I thought the same.

She apparently wants to argue that people are working multiple jobs just to get by and somehow that proves the unemployment numbers are not really as good as they seem. But, as noted above, that reasoning does not hold water.

Rather than "Unemployment is low "because people have two jobs ..." better for her to have said, "Unemployment is low, but people have to have two jobs ..." I don't believe it myself. But that's the message Democrats have to push to try to counter the good economic news.

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Post by Nyarlathotep » Thu Jul 19, 2018 2:03 am

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Nyarlathotep wrote:Still makes no sense. If people are working two jobs and taking up employment unemployed people could take that would drive unemployment up.

If we lived on an island with 10 people and had 9 jobs and one person per job, we would have 10% unemployment on the island. If one person did two of those jobs we would have 20% unemployment. I can't see how that would fail to scale upwards with larger numbers
I thought the same.

She apparently wants to argue that people are working multiple jobs just to get by and somehow that proves the unemployment numbers are not really as good as they seem. But, as noted above, that reasoning does not hold water.
Yeah, I could see if she were arguing that the economy in general isn't as good as it seems and/or that wages are low "Hey, the economy might seem good but people are getting paid so shittily that they have to work a second or third job just to eat" But she said what she said to specifically argue that unemployment was higher than it seemed. And her logic is exactly backwards for her argument.
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Post by xouper » Thu Jul 19, 2018 2:11 am

Anaxagoras wrote:You know, to be fair, Trump has made scores of statements about the economy (and specifically about the unemployment rate) that are equally outrageous. Just one example:

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter ... employment/
That seems to be a quibble about how to define and measure "unemployment". That is a totally different problem than the misstatements by Ocasio-Cortez, since there is no way to define and measure unemployment to fit her claims.

Not everyone agrees that the numbers Trump cited are "outrageous", although personally, I assume the larger numbers are probably not a reasonable assessment. The best we (non-experts) can do is try to understand the strengths and weaknesses of the various definitions and measurements and then choose which experts we wish to believe.

Even though I cited politifact for Ocasio-Cortez, I did that knowing they are highly biased in favor of liberals and will often spin things so that liberals look good and conservatives look bad. So when politifact says a liberal is pants on fire, that's probably accurate, but when they say a conservative (or Trump) is pants on fire, I will usually need confirmation from a more believable source.

In any case, I get your point. Most politicians say outrageous things, not just Ocasio-Cortez or Trump. But since this thread is about Ocasio-Cortez, it is entirely reasonable to focus on her misstatements without having to mention all the billions of other misstatements made by other politicians.

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Post by Anaxagoras » Thu Jul 19, 2018 2:50 am

xouper wrote:
Anaxagoras wrote:You know, to be fair, Trump has made scores of statements about the economy (and specifically about the unemployment rate) that are equally outrageous. Just one example:

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter ... employment/
That seems to be a quibble about how to define and measure "unemployment". That is a totally different problem than the misstatements by Ocasio-Cortez, since there is no way to define and measure unemployment to fit her claims.
Not at all a "quibble". That's not how "unemployment" is defined or measured. To get to 42% unemployment you have to include people who have no interest in finding "a job". Housewives (or househusbands) who don't work because their spouse is the breadwinner, and have no interest in working. People who have retired. Students. Other people who for whatever reason are not seeking any kind of formal employment. And I'm not talking about the so-called "discouraged workers", which the government actually does measure, and includes in one of the measures of unemployment. Those are people who would like to have a job, but aren't actually looking for one because they think there's just no jobs available, or nobody will hire them, or they've applied for a number of jobs but didn't get hired and gave up, or whatever. If you include those people, you get a higher number, but nowhere near 42%.

So this is every bit as ridiculous as what she said.
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Post by WildCat » Thu Jul 19, 2018 3:13 am

Anaxagoras wrote:You know, to be fair, Trump has made scores of statements about the economy (and specifically about the unemployment rate) that are equally outrageous. Just one example:

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter ... mployment/
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Post by WildCat » Thu Jul 19, 2018 3:16 am

So she's complaining about low wages yet she wants unlimited immigration, which depresses wages.

Again, how did this idiot pass ECON 101 let alone get a degree in Economics? Did she pay someone to take her exams? Blow the professors? It makes no sense.
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Post by shuize » Thu Jul 19, 2018 4:43 am

WildCat wrote:So she's complaining about low wages yet she wants unlimited immigration, which depresses wages.
While also increasing competition for those second jobs she thinks are the only way so many people are just barely getting by.

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Her job is secure; she is in a solid blue district.

She appears to be the Democrate Barbara "I'm Biblically Qualified" Bachman.

Any word on whether or not she thinks Guam will "capsize" in the near future?

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Post by xouper » Thu Jul 19, 2018 8:44 am

Anaxagoras wrote:
xouper wrote:
Anaxagoras wrote:You know, to be fair, Trump has made scores of statements about the economy (and specifically about the unemployment rate) that are equally outrageous. Just one example:

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter ... employment/
That seems to be a quibble about how to define and measure "unemployment". That is a totally different problem than the misstatements by Ocasio-Cortez, since there is no way to define and measure unemployment to fit her claims.
Not at all a "quibble".
And then you proceeded to quibble about the definition. :wink:
Anaxagoras wrote:That's not how "unemployment" is defined or measured.
Depends on which "experts" you choose to look at.

Look, I'm not trying to defend alternate definitions. I agree that 42 percent is not a realistic number (for all the reasons you gave). I am merely pointing out that there are some alternate definitions out there and that Trump did not just pull it out of his ass like Ocasio-Cortez seems to have done.

Anaxagoras wrote:So this is every bit as ridiculous as what she said.
Depends on how you define "ridiculous". :wink:

My point was that Ocasio-Cortez made provably false claims about unemployment. Unlike Trump's claims, her claims cannot be made true by redefining how unemployment is measured. Perhaps in your opinion there is some equivalency there.

Anyway, I think I get your point, and perhaps I should just let it go that we do not agree on the equivalency of comparing what Trump and Ocasio-Cortez said. Especially since Trump's comments have no relevance to my point about the economic illiteracy of Ocasio-Cortez.

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Post by Abdul Alhazred » Thu Jul 19, 2018 9:25 am

xouper wrote:It seems to me that one could do a lot worse than Boston University to get an economics degree. So I'm guessing that it's not the university's fault Ocasio-Cortez doesn't understand how unemployment (or capitalism) works.
She's a politician.

All you can conclude is that she hopes YOU don't understand how unemployment (or capitalism) works.
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Post by ed » Thu Jul 19, 2018 10:32 am

Nyarlathotep wrote:Still makes no sense. If people are working two jobs and taking up employment unemployed people could take that would drive unemployment up.

If we lived on an island with 10 people and had 9 jobs and one person per job, we would have 10% unemployment on the island. If one person did two of those jobs we would have 20% unemployment. I can't see how that would fail to scale upwards with larger numbers
Your are right. I, while clever as always, am wrong.

I was thinking that employment was calculated based on job openings (in which case I'd be right) not errrrrr actual people employed.

Funny how that happened. I cooked up a way for her to be right and then altered the entire economic measurement fabric to make it work.
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Post by corplinx » Thu Jul 19, 2018 4:34 pm

She engaged in a bit of hyperbole off the cuff. big dot deal

Give her 20 years and she will be a triangulating "can't pin shit on me" double talking weasel like Hillary, and then we'll be happy?

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BWAH! HA! HA! HA!

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Post by Anaxagoras » Thu Sep 06, 2018 4:17 am

It just happened again. This time in Massachusetts.

Ayanna Pressley Ousts 20-Year Incumbent Michael Capuano in Massachusetts Primary Shocker
Another major upset of a Democratic congressman took place in Massachusetts on Tuesday night. And it wasn't even close.

Ayanna Pressley, the 44-year-old Boston City Councilor, triumphed over 20-year incumbent Rep. Michael Capuano (D-MA) by a double-digit margin. It was the primary season’s second stunning ousting of a long-term lawmaker by a female progressive challenger and another indicator that the liberal base is hungering for something new in their representation.
While Pressley and Capuano did not disagree on much substantive policy—the Democratic congressman from Massachusetts is one of the House’s most staunch progressives—she characterized herself as someone who would be more of an activist leader, extending her work on behalf of the district beyond just supporting liberal legislation.
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