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Pardon me

Post by Pyrrho » Wed Jul 11, 2018 12:12 am

Thread on today's pardon of the Hammonds is worth reading.

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Re: Pardon me

Post by Anaxagoras » Wed Jul 11, 2018 2:37 am

He seems to wield his pardon power in a political way. Maybe that's not an entirely new thing though.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/07 ... -list.html

The Hammonds, D’Souza, Arpaio, Scooter Libby.



Granted, Obama made some controversial pardons too (or clemency, I think the difference matters: a full pardon suggests that the president thinks a persons was wrongly convicted, whereas clemency suggests only that the punishment was a little too harsh). Chelsea Manning famously, but also Oscar Lopez Rivera, a Puerto Rican independence "militant" who lived in Chicago for most of his life.
López Rivera joined the Fuerzas Armadas de Liberación Nacional Puertorriqueña (FALN), a Marxist-Leninist organization which in the 1970s fought to make Puerto Rico an independent communist nation.[6][13][14] The FALN was involved in more than 100 bombings in New York, Chicago and other cities, including the 1975 bombing at Fraunces Tavern in Manhattan that killed four people.[7] The FALN was one of the targets of the first terrorism task force in the United States; the US Joint Terrorism Task Force (JTTF), established in April 1980, had as one of its goals to pursue threats from the Armed Forces of National Liberation (FALN).[15]
At the time of their arrest, López Rivera and the others declared themselves combatants in an anti-colonial war against the United States to gain Puerto Rico's independence from the U.S.. They invoked prisoner of war status. They stated that U.S. courts did not have jurisdiction to treat them as criminals, and they petitioned for their cases to be handed over to an international court that would determine their status. The U.S. Government did not recognize their request.[19]
López Rivera was tried in U.S. District Court for Northern Illinois in 1980–81. The charges included armed robbery and for being a recruiter and bomb-making trainer in the FALN.[18] López Rivera admitted committing every act with which he was charged, but declared himself a political prisoner and refused to take part in most of the trial proceedings.[20] In August 1981, Alfredo Méndez, one of those arrested in Evanston who had become an informant, testified that López Rivera taught him how to make bomb detonation devices and gun silencers. He also testified that the first bombing in which Méndez was to have taken part planned to target the hotel that housed the offices for the Democratic Party. Méndez stated that other bombings were scheduled to occur simultaneously in New York City, Puerto Rico, and Washington, D.C. Speaking on his own behalf during closing arguments, López Rivera stated, "Puerto Rico will be a free and socialist country" and denounced Méndez as a traitor.[18] López Rivera was convicted of "seditious conspiracy, use of force to commit robbery, interstate transportation of firearms and ammunition to aid in the commission of a felony, and interstate transportation of stolen vehicles".[21]
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Re: Pardon me

Post by Giz » Wed Jul 11, 2018 5:00 am

Reading up on López-rivera’s Wiki page, came across this bit on prior FALN clemencies:

“President Jimmy Carter had pardoned other Puerto Rican Nationalists on three occasions, including four who wounded members of Congress in an attack on the U.S. House of Representatives in 1954 and one who plotted to assassinate Harry Truman in 1950.”

WTF Jimmy!?!!

I’m ok with some clemencies, but if terrorists strike congress or the presidency, I kinda think that they should rot in prison.
(Makes me feel better about Obama’s and trumps pardons though I guess)

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Re: Pardon me

Post by Skeeve » Wed Jul 11, 2018 11:21 am

Lest we forget: ... Marc Rich
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Rich, who died in 2013, was a financier who fled to Switzerland after being indicted on multiple federal charges, including tax evasion, in 1983. Clinton's motive for pardoning Rich on his last day in office was questioned because Rich's ex-wife, Denise Rich, was a wealthy Democratic donor who made a $450,000 donation to Clinton's presidential library foundation and more than $100,000 to Hillary Clinton's Senate campaign.
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Re: Pardon me

Post by Pyrrho » Wed Jul 11, 2018 1:16 pm

Webster Hubbell never got a pardon....

Anyway, the perps in the OP apparently attempted murder. Whatever...
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Re: Pardon me

Post by Rob Lister » Wed Jul 11, 2018 1:30 pm

Pyrrho wrote:Webster Hubbell never got a pardon....
When Chelsea becomes president, she'll pardon him
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Re: Pardon me

Post by Abdul Alhazred » Wed Jul 11, 2018 1:54 pm

So Webb is also a descendant of Eleanor Roosevelt and Joseph Kennedy by way of their love child Jimmy Carter? :o
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Re: Pardon me

Post by Pyrrho » Wed Jul 11, 2018 2:11 pm

It's all one big happy family in the swamp.
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Re: Pardon me

Post by Skeeve » Wed Jul 11, 2018 5:52 pm

Pyrrho wrote:It's all one big happy family in the swamp.
Sorry I couldn't resist...

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