At joint press conference with Trump, Putin accuses Hillary of Russian collusion.

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Re: At joint press conference with Trump, Putin accuses Hillary of Russian collusion.

Post by xouper » Wed Jul 18, 2018 2:07 am

gnome wrote:
Doctor X wrote:Meanwhile, Trump just admitted he misspoke.
I think his retraction is pretty thin.

Hasn't his entire stance on Russian interference been quite dismissive?
No.

Trump is on record many times saying he agrees with the assessment of the intelligence community about Russian interference. And he has imposed sanctions against the Russians for that interference.

Trump's retraction is completely consistent with his previous stance.

What Trump has been dismissive of is a separate issue: the accusations of collusion (which is what he is referring to when he talks about a witch hunt). Perhaps that is what you may be referring to in your question?

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Re: At joint press conference with Trump, Putin accuses Hillary of Russian collusion.

Post by xouper » Wed Jul 18, 2018 2:20 am

And then there's this:
www.bloomberg.com/news/ wrote:
Trump Decided Russia Indictments Should Come Pre-Summit, Sources Say
By Chris Strohm and Jennifer Jacobs, July 17, 2018

President Donald Trump gave the go-ahead to announce new Russian election-hacking indictments before his meeting with Vladimir Putin rather than after -- in the hopes it would strengthen his hand in the talks, according to accounts from people familiar with the decision.

Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein went to Trump last week and offered him the choice: before or after the Putin summit on Monday in Helsinki? Trump chose before, ultimately putting the issue into the spotlight just 72 hours before the high-stakes meeting, the people said.
"Sources Say"? Is it true, or is it fake news?

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Re: At joint press conference with Trump, Putin accuses Hillary of Russian collusion.

Post by WildCat » Wed Jul 18, 2018 4:31 am

Sargon's take:

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Re: At joint press conference with Trump, Putin accuses Hillary of Russian collusion.

Post by Abdul Alhazred » Wed Jul 18, 2018 9:00 am

sparks wrote:Perhaps not, but you've got to admit, the game is as funny as hell:

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Big arrest soon?

Lock her up?

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Re: At joint press conference with Trump, Putin accuses Hillary of Russian collusion.

Post by Abdul Alhazred » Wed Jul 18, 2018 2:40 pm

And now for some Real News TM from The Washington Post. :lmao:

Late-night hosts skewer Trump’s news conference
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Re: At joint press conference with Trump, Putin accuses Hillary of Russian collusion.

Post by sparks » Wed Jul 18, 2018 3:59 pm

Abdul Alhazred wrote:
sparks wrote:Perhaps not, but you've got to admit, the game is as funny as hell:

Rooskies: "We have some great shit on Billary!"

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Big arrest soon?

Lock her up?

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Doubtful. No point in locking her up, she's done. And, no way, as yet, to lock him up. But this may change.
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Re: At joint press conference with Trump, Putin accuses Hillary of Russian collusion.

Post by corplinx » Wed Jul 18, 2018 5:04 pm

WildCat wrote:Sargon's take:

Why do have to fall back on youtube to get the "news" parsed for us these days?

Sargon is right, but we shouldn't need a meta level of news.

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Re: At joint press conference with Trump, Putin accuses Hillary of Russian collusion.

Post by Grammatron » Wed Jul 18, 2018 5:09 pm

corplinx wrote: Why do have to fall back on youtube to get the "news" parsed for us these days?
Because it's a conduit of information which news is a part of.

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Re: At joint press conference with Trump, Putin accuses Hillary of Russian collusion.

Post by Abdul Alhazred » Wed Jul 18, 2018 6:45 pm

corplinx wrote:Sargon is right, but we shouldn't need a meta level of news.
If you were smart, you never believed what you read in the paper, even back in the days when it was really made out of paper. 8)
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Re: At joint press conference with Trump, Putin accuses Hillary of Russian collusion.

Post by Anaxagoras » Thu Jul 19, 2018 5:56 am

White House says Trump to discuss allowing Russia to question US citizens
White House press secretary Sarah Huckabee Sanders said Wednesday that President Trump will discuss allowing Russian investigators to come to the United States to question U.S. citizens, including a former American ambassador to Russia.

Sanders said during a White House press briefing that Trump is “gonna meet with his team” to talk about the potential for Russian officials to question U.S. citizens like Michael McFaul, who was ambassador to Russia from January 2012 to February 2014.

“There was some conversation about it, but there wasn’t a commitment made on behalf of the United States,” Sanders said. “The president will work with his team and we’ll let you know if there’s an announcement on that front.”
Russian President Vladimir Putin said during a press conference with Trump on Monday that the Kremlin would permit special counsel Robert Mueller’s team to travel to Russia and attend the questioning of 12 Russian intelligence officers indicted in the probe, if Russia is allowed to help interrogate some people “who have something to do with illegal actions in the territory of Russia.”

Russia state-owned outlet RT reported that Russia wanted to question McFaul and Christopher Steele, author of the so-called Steele dossier, and others in its investigation into American financier Bill Browder. Browder is a prominent critic of Putin who lobbied on behalf of the Magnitsky Act, which imposed sanctions against Russia.
During Monday's press conference, Putin alleged without evidence that Browder illegally transferred $1.5 billion out of Russia and had funneled $400 million toward Hillary Clinton’s presidential campaign. The Russian prosecutor’s office later corrected that figure to $400,000.

Browder has denied the allegations.

The State Department on Wednesday called the "overall assertions" made by the Russian government "absolutely absurd" but a spokeswoman refused to weigh in on Trump's decision about possible interviews.

"Well, I can't answer on behalf of the White House with regard to that," State Department spokeswoman Heather Nauert said at a press briefing. "But what I can tell you is that the overall assertions that have come out of the Russian government are absolutely absurd. The fact that they want to question 11 American citizens and the assertions that the Russian government is making about those American citizens, we do not stand by those assertions that the Russian government makes."

She also noted that she understood why the request to interview Americans would be "a grave concern to our former colleagues here."

McFaul denounced the possibility of being questioned by Russian officials, and he called on Trump to condemn the proposal.
Does everyone here know about the story of Bill Browder and Sergei Magnitsky?
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Re: At joint press conference with Trump, Putin accuses Hillary of Russian collusion.

Post by Doctor X » Thu Jul 19, 2018 7:58 am

I know a bit of it, and the fact that Browder's Russian lawyer accidentally beat himself to death tripping over some soap in prison kind of underscores the entire issue. Browder may have been grinding Russian orphans into "herbal viagra" for all we know; the fact that his lawyer was imprisoned and murdered should say enough.

Though wrap your mind around this concept that would serve as a particularly anal smashing law school exam:
  • 1. Can the Federal Government grant a foreign power the opportunity to question US citizens in Freedom :freedom: ?
    2. How the fuck does either compel a US citizen to testify?
as you know, the Federal or State governments cannot compel you to testify unless you are granted immunity from prosecution. In that case, for a time, they can hold you in contempt--see Susan Rich protecting the Clintons.

What subpoena could the Feds issue? They are not investigating anything. So . . . do they send a Strongly Worded Letter to a person "demanding" they come in and be interviewed by Russians? And when the person's lawyer tells them to get fucked by Gram's Mom . . . again . . . what do they do?

It may be a fatuous offer from Trump similar to Lt. Col. Oliver "Off the Shelf" North joke about offering the Iranian officials "free trips on the Space Shuttle" if it would get him something when Some Fat Democrat accused him of "lying!" to the Iranians.

In a sick way it is brilliant. Mueller & Co. will never interview the indicted Ruskies who are in Russia . . . even if they could, does protections apply . . . "In RUSSIA" [In Sylvester Stallone Voice--Ed.]? Whatever, unless Vlad I somehow compels them to cooperate . . . here . . . take a hit off of this! . . . nothing will happen, BUT Trump & Co. can accuse Mueller & Co. of failing to "seek the Truth!!11!"

Wow.

This is what we get for news before the NFL season.

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Re: At joint press conference with Trump, Putin accuses Hillary of Russian collusion.

Post by Anaxagoras » Thu Jul 19, 2018 8:37 am

I think Vlad made the offer knowing full well that Trump ultimately wouldn't be able to accept it.
I don't think the federal government can compel a US citizen to submit to interrogation by a foreign government.
We have extradition treaties with some countries, but not with Russia.
But it lets him claim that "See? We tried to cooperate!"
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Re: At joint press conference with Trump, Putin accuses Hillary of Russian collusion.

Post by Doctor X » Thu Jul 19, 2018 9:23 am

Basically, I thought there were some extradition treaties with Russia, but whatever, treaties are nothing but paper. Either side will refuse to recognize the claimed "crime."

A stunt that the Never Trumpers do not understand.

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Re: At joint press conference with Trump, Putin accuses Hillary of Russian collusion.

Post by Abdul Alhazred » Thu Jul 19, 2018 1:39 pm

Truly we are in the Age of LULz and it ain't too bad. 8)

For me. :notsure:

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Unz Review
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And so, once again, Western liberals, and others obsessed with Donald Trump, having been teased into a painfully tumescent paroxysm of anticipation of some unimaginably horrible event that would finally lead to Trump’s impeachment (or his removal from office by other means) were left standing around with their hysteria in their hands. It has become a sadistic ritual at this point … like a twisted, pseudo-Tantric exercise where the media get liberals all lathered up over whatever fresh horror Trump has just perpetrated (or some non-story story they have invented out of whole cloth), build the tension for several days, until liberals are moaning and begging for impeachment, or a full-blown CIA-sponsored coup, then pull out abruptly and leave the poor bastards writhing in agony until the next time … which is pretty much exactly what just happened.

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Re: At joint press conference with Trump, Putin accuses Hillary of Russian collusion.

Post by Abdul Alhazred » Thu Jul 19, 2018 3:28 pm

Theory:

Russian spies really did hack the DNC in some serious way but are not the source of the leak. That is still most likely from a disgruntled insider.

They did it because (like almost everybody else) they assumed Hillary would win.

From Putin on down they are very disappointed that she lost. They are better at dissembling their disappointment than others because after all they are Russians not a bunch of crybabies.

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Re: At joint press conference with Trump, Putin accuses Hillary of Russian collusion.

Post by Abdul Alhazred » Thu Jul 19, 2018 3:42 pm

Here is a good conspiracy theory. Finally a right wing one for a change.

Did the Russians Hack the DNC to Help the Left Take Over the Democrats?
Sultan Knish (some guy with a blog)
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There has never been any evidence that the DNC hacks swung the election. The vast majority of people never even heard of them. Only a handful of political insiders and watchers, already deeply and unpersuadably committed to one side or another, could name the contents of a single email.

When you want to understand the motive of a crime, follow the money. See who benefited from it, not casually, but deeply and significantly enough to justify the effort and risk of undertaking it.

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Post by Anaxagoras » Mon Jul 23, 2018 1:44 am

Now Trump is back to calling it a "hoax" again. Is he reversing his reversal again? He's said so many things contradictory things about it.

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Post by Doctor X » Mon Jul 23, 2018 7:47 am

Yet it all started, sparks, with Her Turn trying to do exactly that against him.

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Re: At joint press conference with Trump, Putin accuses Hillary of Russian collusion.

Post by WildCat » Mon Jul 23, 2018 12:09 pm

Anaxagoras wrote:
Mon Jul 23, 2018 1:44 am
Now Trump is back to calling it a "hoax" again. Is he reversing his reversal again? He's said so many things contradictory things about it.

He's calling the accusations of collusion a hoax.
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Re: At joint press conference with Trump, Putin accuses Hillary of Russian collusion.

Post by Grammatron » Mon Jul 23, 2018 4:51 pm

Anaxagoras wrote:
Mon Jul 23, 2018 1:44 am
Now Trump is back to calling it a "hoax" again. Is he reversing his reversal again? He's said so many things contradictory things about it.
I think it needs clarification but only because this issue has been muddied by terrible reporting.

Not Hoax: Russia interfered in US election.
Hoax: Russia successfully influenced the outcome of US election.

Not Hoax: Russia preferred Donald Trump to win.
Hoax: Russia colluded with Trump to get him a win.