It is impossible in principle to meddle with elections on Facebook.

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It is impossible in principle to meddle with elections on Facebook.

Post by Abdul Alhazred » Thu Aug 02, 2018 2:38 pm

Because propagandizing isn't "meddling".

It is what people normally do in the run up to elections in a free society.

Even foreigners are allowed to propagandize in a free country.
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Re: It is impossible in principle to meddle with elections on Facebook.

Post by corplinx » Thu Aug 02, 2018 3:12 pm

They want to keep the terminology loose so they can imply votes were changed when they weren't.

Big fat nothingburger on the Facebook stuff.

Does anyone think a few Russian troll posts had less influence than CNN claiming Trump made fun of a reporter for his disabilities or that he said all mexicans were rapists? The real Fakenews has a much larger audience than the pathetic russian paid ads.

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Re: It is impossible in principle to meddle with elections on Facebook.

Post by Abdul Alhazred » Thu Aug 02, 2018 3:16 pm

Never mind that.

Facebook just deleted a bunch of accounts for "meddling" in the 2018 congressional election.

Latest right wing conspiracy theory on same: False flag accounts set up by Facebook in the first place.
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Re: It is impossible in principle to meddle with elections on Facebook.

Post by Churchill » Thu Aug 02, 2018 3:17 pm

When media or others claim election tampering, what comes to mind is what some did in the old days in terms of stuffing ballot boxes or maybe he modern day version of potentially hacking the online voting mechanism.

Spreading information, true or false, has been done since the beginning of time. I also do not really see the difference between this and general disinformation / propaganda campaign. What is the specific part where it would constitute tampering?
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Re: It is impossible in principle to meddle with elections on Facebook.

Post by Abdul Alhazred » Thu Aug 02, 2018 3:19 pm

And I do not credit Russian trolls for the way the election turned out, BUT ...

I have no problem with the proposition that random Facebook trolls (Russian or not) have more credibility than CNN. :BigGrin3:
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Re: It is impossible in principle to meddle with elections on Facebook.

Post by Grammatron » Thu Aug 02, 2018 5:42 pm

Churchill wrote:
Thu Aug 02, 2018 3:17 pm
When media or others claim election tampering, what comes to mind is what some did in the old days in terms of stuffing ballot boxes or maybe he modern day version of potentially hacking the online voting mechanism.

Spreading information, true or false, has been done since the beginning of time. I also do not really see the difference between this and general disinformation / propaganda campaign. What is the specific part where it would constitute tampering?
Essentially Mueller's indictment of Russians.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa- ... SKCN1G022U

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Re: It is impossible in principle to meddle with elections on Facebook.

Post by shemp » Fri Aug 03, 2018 3:45 am

It wouldn't be a problem if Facebook wasn't a sea of fucking hopeless morons who believe everything they read.
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It wouldn't be a problem if Facebook wasn't a sea of fucking hopeless morons who believe everything they read.
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Re: It is impossible in principle to meddle with elections on Facebook.

Post by Abdul Alhazred » Fri Aug 03, 2018 12:59 pm

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It wouldn't be a problem if Facebook wasn't a sea of fucking hopeless morons who believe everything they read.
Just like the world in general. :)
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Post by Pyrrho » Fri Aug 03, 2018 1:09 pm

Facebook is a repository of the crap people used to send via email.
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Re: It is impossible in principle to meddle with elections on Facebook.

Post by RCC: Act II » Fri Aug 03, 2018 2:57 pm

shemp wrote:
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It wouldn't be a problem if Facebook wasn't a sea of fucking hopeless morons who believe everything they read.
Yeah, but Facebook is also drawing people in to share pictures of their cats and then helping to subject them to sophisticated propaganda techniques made worse since the messages are being shared by friends so they are subjected to less scrutiny than when the listener/reader knows the message comes from a source with motive to deceive.

Most of these "morons" never had a chance. Expecting people who aren't aware or mindful of propaganda techniques to handle this sort of onslaught is not very realistic.

This is a serious issue, and unfortunately since it seems to help the GOP more than hurt them it will end up being a partisan issue.

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Post by corplinx » Fri Aug 03, 2018 3:51 pm

Apparently most of the stuff Facebook banned out turned out to be Fakenews outlets against Trump.

No idea if OccupyDemocrats got caught but they should have been.

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Post by gnome » Fri Aug 03, 2018 4:42 pm

Grammatron wrote:
Thu Aug 02, 2018 5:42 pm
Churchill wrote:
Thu Aug 02, 2018 3:17 pm
When media or others claim election tampering, what comes to mind is what some did in the old days in terms of stuffing ballot boxes or maybe he modern day version of potentially hacking the online voting mechanism.

Spreading information, true or false, has been done since the beginning of time. I also do not really see the difference between this and general disinformation / propaganda campaign. What is the specific part where it would constitute tampering?
Essentially Mueller's indictment of Russians.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa- ... SKCN1G022U
I may be mistaken so someone correct me if they have to--but to my understanding the charges are not "tampering" but the already illegal acts of fraud performed in pursuit of the manipulation.
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Post by Grammatron » Fri Aug 03, 2018 4:46 pm

That's sort of the point.

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Re: It is impossible in principle to meddle with elections on Facebook.

Post by Abdul Alhazred » Fri Aug 03, 2018 4:53 pm

Pyrrho wrote:
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Facebook is a repository of the crap people used to send via email.
Yap about in person, way back when people still communicated that way. :oldman:
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Post by xouper » Fri Aug 03, 2018 5:19 pm

Abdul Alhazred wrote:
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Pyrrho wrote:
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Facebook is a repository of the crap people used to send via email.
Yap about in person, way back when people still communicated that way. :oldman:
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Re: It is impossible in principle to meddle with elections on Facebook.

Post by Pyrrho » Sat Aug 04, 2018 11:19 am

https://www.apnews.com/792fefb2ff9846b9 ... l-midterms
NEW YORK (AP) — Kamala Harris has been the target of social media misinformation campaigns since she became a U.S. senator.

Every month for the last 18 months, her office has discovered on average between three and five fake Facebook profiles pretending to be hers, according to a Harris aide. It’s unclear who creates the pages, which are often designed to mislead American voters about the ambitious Democratic senator’s policies and positions.

The aide spoke on the condition of anonymity, like more than a half dozen campaign officials contacted for this story, for fear of attracting unwanted attention from adversaries or scrutiny on the Senate office’s evolving cybersecurity protocols.

Such internet mischief has become commonplace in U.S. politics. Facebook announced earlier this week that it uncovered “sophisticated” efforts, possibly linked to Russia, to influence U.S. politics on its platforms. Senior intelligence officials declared Thursday that foreign adversaries continue waging a quiet war against U.S. campaigns and election systems.
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