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Post by Pyrrho » Mon Aug 06, 2018 11:14 pm

https://www.indystar.com/story/news/cri ... 906034002/
A 13-year-old girl was shot in the cheek Friday night when a boy accidentally shot a semi-automatic firearm inside a home, police said in a release Saturday.

According to a witness, the girl was in a bedroom with other children while adults were in another room in the home when the shooting took place, the release from the Indianapolis Metropolitan Police Department said.
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Re: Gun owner negligence

Post by Pyrrho » Mon Aug 06, 2018 11:15 pm

http://www.kake.com/story/38806157/sher ... by-brother
A 3-year-old Kansas boy has been hospitalized in Wichita after he was accidentally shot by his twin brother.

The incident happened just before 6 p.m. Thursday in the 400 block of East 4th Street in Kinsley. Edwards County Sheriff Bryant Kurth said somehow a firearm was out and one of the boys got a hold of it. It went off, striking the other boy.
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Re: Gun owner negligence

Post by Pyrrho » Mon Aug 06, 2018 11:16 pm

https://www.wfla.com/news/pasco-county/ ... 1340265001
Pasco County deputies arrested a man they said fired a gun into a driver's back passenger window during a road rage incident in Land O' Lakes.

Detectives said Melvin Seda Jr., 27, fired a gun near a daycare and shattered someone's car window during the incident.

Seda was texting and driving on July 12 when deputies said he almost swerved into another car on SR 54 around 3 p.m. that day.

Deputies said the driver honked his horn and then Seda went off.

Seda is accused of threatening to shoot the man while yelling out of his window, according to deputies.

Deputies said Seda followed the man down Ballantrae Boulevard and within seconds, shot out the victim's back passenger window at Mentmore Boulevard.

A daycare and two playgrounds are located at this intersection.
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Re: Gun owner negligence

Post by Grammatron » Mon Aug 06, 2018 11:17 pm

If the those victim kids had guns the shooters wouldn't have gotten away with it.

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Re: Gun owner negligence

Post by xouper » Mon Aug 06, 2018 11:48 pm

Pyrrho wrote:
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Yeah, that sucks.

Sadly, those are not isolated examples.

What conclusion would you like us to draw from those examples?


Perhaps the following should be in its own thread?

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Re: Gun owner negligence

Post by Giz » Mon Aug 06, 2018 11:52 pm

In other news, in this nation of 300 million, 500,000 people fall off ladders every year. Perhaps some of their stories should be shared?

https://www.ishn.com/articles/106830-00 ... r-on-farms

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Re: Gun owner negligence

Post by xouper » Tue Aug 07, 2018 12:03 am

Giz wrote:
Mon Aug 06, 2018 11:52 pm
In other news, in this nation of 300 million, 500,000 people fall off ladders every year. Perhaps some of their stories should be shared?

https://www.ishn.com/articles/106830-00 ... r-on-farms
The smart-ass me chuckles at the point you seem to be making.

But I am also willing to allow that Pyrrho has a legitimate point to make by starting this thread. I just don't know yet what that is.

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Re: Gun owner negligence

Post by Doctor X » Tue Aug 07, 2018 1:26 am

Giz wrote:
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Perhaps some of their stories should be shared?
They were just trying to get high.

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Re: Gun owner negligence

Post by sparks » Tue Aug 07, 2018 2:16 am

xoup and Giz are comedic goal post movers. There are two or three on every forum. :)

(Not me of course, because ... I never ... ah fuck it.)
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Re: Gun owner negligence

Post by Witness » Wed Aug 08, 2018 3:26 am

Man who shot himself in Austin Landing HomeGoods had gun improperly holstered

MIAMI TWP., Montgomery County — UPDATE @ 6:15 p.m. (May 29): The Xenia man in his 60s who shot himself while in the restroom at the Austin Landing HomeGoods store was using a holster not regulated for the gun he was carrying, a spokeswoman with Austin Landing said.

The holster was filled with some type of paper to make the gun fit, the spokeswoman, Cheryl Dillin, told News Center 7’s Malik Perkins on Tuesday.
https://www.whio.com/news/crime--law/ma ... DnIe5OYAN/

Not even able to safely take a shit with their toy around. :mrgreen:

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Re: Gun owner negligence

Post by WildCat » Wed Aug 08, 2018 3:31 am

Witness wrote:
Wed Aug 08, 2018 3:26 am
Man who shot himself in Austin Landing HomeGoods had gun improperly holstered

MIAMI TWP., Montgomery County — UPDATE @ 6:15 p.m. (May 29): The Xenia man in his 60s who shot himself while in the restroom at the Austin Landing HomeGoods store was using a holster not regulated for the gun he was carrying, a spokeswoman with Austin Landing said.

The holster was filled with some type of paper to make the gun fit, the spokeswoman, Cheryl Dillin, told News Center 7’s Malik Perkins on Tuesday.
https://www.whio.com/news/crime--law/ma ... DnIe5OYAN/

Not even able to safely take a shit with their toy around. :mrgreen:
It's not an infrequent thread on gun boards, what to do with the gun when you have to do your business. There's a surprising amount of NDs during that time, often from people who put them on the TP holder but those are often slanted (to prevent people from putting stuff on them I guess) and then when the gun starts to slide off they try to grab it and hit the trigger.


Consensus seems to be to cradle the gun in your underwear while doing your business. :o
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Re: Gun owner negligence

Post by Witness » Wed Aug 08, 2018 3:41 am

I know zilch about handguns, but how about locking the trigger (probably not the correct term but there is generally some form of security) and having no round in the chamber while you carry it around?

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Re: Gun owner negligence

Post by Grammatron » Wed Aug 08, 2018 8:13 am

WildCat wrote:
Wed Aug 08, 2018 3:31 am
Witness wrote:
Wed Aug 08, 2018 3:26 am
Man who shot himself in Austin Landing HomeGoods had gun improperly holstered

MIAMI TWP., Montgomery County — UPDATE @ 6:15 p.m. (May 29): The Xenia man in his 60s who shot himself while in the restroom at the Austin Landing HomeGoods store was using a holster not regulated for the gun he was carrying, a spokeswoman with Austin Landing said.

The holster was filled with some type of paper to make the gun fit, the spokeswoman, Cheryl Dillin, told News Center 7’s Malik Perkins on Tuesday.
https://www.whio.com/news/crime--law/ma ... DnIe5OYAN/

Not even able to safely take a shit with their toy around. :mrgreen:
It's not an infrequent thread on gun boards, what to do with the gun when you have to do your business. There's a surprising amount of NDs during that time, often from people who put them on the TP holder but those are often slanted (to prevent people from putting stuff on them I guess) and then when the gun starts to slide off they try to grab it and hit the trigger.


Consensus seems to be to cradle the gun in your underwear while doing your business. :o
The obvious solution is a holster with a suction cup that can be quickly and easily affixed to most surfaces.

(I've looked it up and it's actually a thing)

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Re: Gun owner negligence

Post by WildCat » Wed Aug 08, 2018 11:34 am

Grammatron wrote:
Wed Aug 08, 2018 8:13 am
The obvious solution is a holster with a suction cup that can be quickly and easily affixed to most surfaces.

(I've looked it up and it's actually a thing)
But that opens up the possibility of forgetting it in the stall.
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Re: Gun owner negligence

Post by Grammatron » Wed Aug 08, 2018 3:18 pm

Not if you are tethered to the holster

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Re: Gun owner negligence

Post by Witness » Sat Aug 11, 2018 3:43 am

Weird case:
Gun that killed 12-year-old in Wilmington never found, police say

Officers didn't find a gun at the Riverside home where a 12-year-old boy died last week after apparently shooting himself by accident, a Wilmington police spokesman said.

Police said on Tuesday they never found the weapon.

"The firearm has not been recovered. We are asking anyone with information regarding its whereabouts to contact Wilmington detectives," Master Sgt. Scott Chaffin said.
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Questions posed to police over the weekend concerning the make and model of the firearm which killed Ty'mire Selby originally went unanswered.

Wilmington police haven't answered questions about how the gun got into Selby's hands or where it went.

The investigation into Selby's death remains active.https://eu.delawareonline.com/story/new ... 923073002/

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Re: Gun owner negligence

Post by WildCat » Sat Aug 11, 2018 9:33 pm

Witness wrote:
Sat Aug 11, 2018 3:43 am
Weird case:
Gun that killed 12-year-old in Wilmington never found, police say

Officers didn't find a gun at the Riverside home where a 12-year-old boy died last week after apparently shooting himself by accident, a Wilmington police spokesman said.

Police said on Tuesday they never found the weapon.

"The firearm has not been recovered. We are asking anyone with information regarding its whereabouts to contact Wilmington detectives," Master Sgt. Scott Chaffin said.
[…]
Questions posed to police over the weekend concerning the make and model of the firearm which killed Ty'mire Selby originally went unanswered.

Wilmington police haven't answered questions about how the gun got into Selby's hands or where it went.

The investigation into Selby's death remains active.https://eu.delawareonline.com/story/new ... 923073002/
Weird only in that the gun wasn't found. Usually in these cases all the adults simply deny the gun is theirs and they have no idea whose it was or where it came from because none of them are legally able to own a gun.

I don't know about nationally but in Chicago the next kid who shoots himself with a legal gun will be the first one. Always some gangbanging idiot who either lives in the house or is dating mama stashes an illegal gun under a mattress or something and then a kid finds it.

But somehow these things could be reduced if we only had more required training for legal gun owners.
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Re: Gun owner negligence

Post by sparks » Sat Aug 11, 2018 9:53 pm

If there's no weapon, how the hell can they claim it to be self inflicted? Would powder residue on his hands really be enough?
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Re: Gun owner negligence

Post by Witness » Sat Aug 11, 2018 10:14 pm

sparks wrote:
Sat Aug 11, 2018 9:53 pm
If there's no weapon, how the hell can they claim it to be self inflicted? Would powder residue on his hands really be enough?
Probably they don't want to enquire more. Suicide/accident + no gun/no owner = case closed. Let's go home.

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Re: Gun owner negligence

Post by sparks » Sun Aug 12, 2018 1:41 am

If that's the case, no wonder peeps don't trust the police.
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