Is he indicted yet?

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Is he indicted yet?

Post by ed » Wed Aug 08, 2018 5:17 pm

Surely impeachment is going to happen any day now.

I am excited.
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Re: Is he indited yet?

Post by Abdul Alhazred » Wed Aug 08, 2018 5:40 pm

Which one?

If you mean Bruce Rauner, the answer is no. 8)
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Re: Is he indited yet?

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Re: Is he indited yet?

Post by Abdul Alhazred » Wed Aug 08, 2018 5:48 pm

Here in Illinois, we've had ever so many governors end up in prison but so far never had a governor dragged in chains from the Illinois Governor's Mansion.

Nothing personal against Rauner you understand, but just on general principle isn't it about time? :mrgreen:
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Re: Is he indited yet?

Post by ed » Wed Aug 08, 2018 6:34 pm

This is a trump thread. Go get your own.
I understand rosie odonnel voiced her opinion that he shouldbe impea hed on the lsm last night
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Re: Is he indited yet?

Post by Grammatron » Wed Aug 08, 2018 6:39 pm

ed wrote:
Wed Aug 08, 2018 6:34 pm
This is a trump thread. Go get your own.
I understand rosie odonnel voiced her opinion that he shouldbe impea hed on the lsm last night
A bit early to be that drunk

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Re: Is he indited yet?

Post by sparks » Wed Aug 08, 2018 6:39 pm

Grammatron wrote:
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Russians: "We have some great shit on Hillary."
Trump Jr.: "I love it!"

Is that not a matter of record yet? And no, it does not 'directly' involve Trump Sr. But it really ought to be investigated thoroughly. Certainly enough allegations floating around out there that Sr. did know about it, and if it can be proven he did, then he's in a world of hurt.
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Re: Is he indited yet?

Post by Grammatron » Wed Aug 08, 2018 6:42 pm

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Is that not a matter of record yet?
It is.
And no, it does not 'directly' involve Trump Sr. But it really ought to be investigated thoroughly.
It has been for over 2 years now. Remember FBI wired people up in June of '16.
Certainly enough allegations floating around out there that Sr. did know about it, and if it can be proven he did, then he's in a world of hurt.
If they existed it would been leaked by now.

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Re: Is he indited yet?

Post by sparks » Wed Aug 08, 2018 6:50 pm

Not necessarily. Remember Tricky Dick?
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Re: Is he indited yet?

Post by Grammatron » Wed Aug 08, 2018 6:53 pm

sparks wrote:
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Not necessarily. Remember Tricky Dick?
Yes but I don't see the situations as analogous beyond involvement of the office of the POTUS.

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Re: Is he indited yet?

Post by sparks » Wed Aug 08, 2018 7:02 pm

Point is it took a couple of years to pin that bastard down. May take longer with Trump and if you want to cite a starting point of '16, which seems perfectly reasonable to me, then there you go.

The commonality here is impeachment of the PsOTUS because they've been very bad boys.
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Re: Is he indited yet?

Post by Grammatron » Wed Aug 08, 2018 7:13 pm

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Point is it took a couple of years to pin that bastard down.
It took a couple of years for him to lose all political support and realize he can either be dragged out or leave.
May take longer with Trump and if you want to cite a starting point of '16, which seems perfectly reasonable to me, then there you go.

The commonality here is impeachment of the PsOTUS because they've been very bad boys.
Trump still has significant political and public support, I just don't see any chance of that changing and Trump getting removed without a full armory of smoking weapons.

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Re: Is he indited yet?

Post by sparks » Wed Aug 08, 2018 7:18 pm

I have to admit that you're right about the public and political support. That shit still amazes me.
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Re: Is he indited yet?

Post by Giz » Wed Aug 08, 2018 7:29 pm

sparks wrote:
Wed Aug 08, 2018 6:39 pm
Grammatron wrote:
Wed Aug 08, 2018 5:43 pm
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Russians: "We have some great shit on Hillary."
Trump Jr.: "I love it!"

Is that not a matter of record yet? And no, it does not 'directly' involve Trump Sr. But it really ought to be investigated thoroughly. Certainly enough allegations floating around out there that Sr. did know about it, and if it can be proven he did, then he's in a world of hurt.
Investigations are fine. I just object to using an ongoing investigation, which has not released any evidence of presidential wrongdoing, being used to deligitimize our elections.

Have investigation - fine
Present actual evidence of wrongdoing - fine
Allege that mere presence of the investigation means presidency is not legitimate - no


As a related note: it still seems to me that the dnc collusion with foreign agent Steele seems worse than Don Jr's 'collusion' via "I love it".

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Re: Is he indited yet?

Post by WildCat » Wed Aug 08, 2018 7:52 pm

Russians: we have dirt on Trump

Hillary: great, here's $15 million we can use that to get a FISA warrant to spy on the Trump campaign and then get a special prosecutor appointed to nullify the election.
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Re: Is he indited yet?

Post by xouper » Wed Aug 08, 2018 8:25 pm

sparks wrote:
Wed Aug 08, 2018 7:18 pm
I have to admit that you're right about the public and political support. That shit still amazes me.
Doesn't amaze me one bit.

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Re: Is he indited yet?

Post by xouper » Wed Aug 08, 2018 8:30 pm

WildCat wrote:
Wed Aug 08, 2018 7:52 pm
Russians: we have dirt on Trump

Hillary: great, here's $15 million we can use that to get a FISA warrant to spy on the Trump campaign and then get a special prosecutor appointed to nullify the election.
Another difference that sometimes gets lost in the noise:

With the Trump campaign, it was the Russians that initiated contact, not the Trump camp.

With the Hillary campaign, they initiated contact with the Russians.

I'm not going to get all worked up over liberal allegations of collusion until the liberals apply the same standards to Hillary and the DNC.

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Re: Is he indited yet?

Post by ed » Wed Aug 08, 2018 8:37 pm

Look at the alternatives
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Re: Is he indited yet?

Post by sparks » Wed Aug 08, 2018 8:37 pm

WildCat wrote:
Wed Aug 08, 2018 7:52 pm
Russians: we have dirt on Trump

Hillary: great, here's $15 million we can use that to get a FISA warrant to spy on the Trump campaign and then get a special prosecutor appointed to nullify the election.
And if she'd won, I'd expect an investigation from the Right every bit as thorough (if that's the right word) as is going on now with Trump and his minions.
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Re: Is he indited yet?

Post by sparks » Wed Aug 08, 2018 8:40 pm

"Allege that mere presence of the investigation means presidency is not legitimate - no"


Agreed. Never a good idea.
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