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Re: Jacksonville video game tournament shooting

Post by Doctor X » Wed Aug 29, 2018 2:32 am

Even Gram's Mom does not give guns to the documented mentally disturbed.

No justification for it.

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Re: Jacksonville video game tournament shooting

Post by shemp » Wed Aug 29, 2018 2:37 am

Doctor X wrote:
Wed Aug 29, 2018 2:32 am
Even Gram's Mom does not give guns to the documented mentally disturbed.

No justification for it.

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Re: Jacksonville video game tournament shooting

Post by Doctor X » Wed Aug 29, 2018 5:00 am

Would be a considerable armory complete with copious extra rounds, grenades, a few SCUD missiles, and biological weapons.

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Re: Jacksonville video game tournament shooting

Post by Anaxagoras » Wed Aug 29, 2018 4:23 pm

shemp wrote:
Mon Aug 27, 2018 8:22 pm
Abdul Alhazred wrote:
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shemp wrote:
Mon Aug 27, 2018 1:12 pm
Maybe he was mad because somebody took a knee.
Could be lies of course, but it is alleged ...

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2018/0 ... -4-people/
Do you ever have any reputable sources?
https://www.politifact.com/punditfact/s ... -shooter-/

"Gateway Pundit" is a garbage source. That wasn't even the right reddit user.
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Re: Jacksonville video game tournament shooting

Post by xouper » Wed Aug 29, 2018 4:37 pm

Anaxagoras wrote:
Wed Aug 29, 2018 4:23 pm
"Gateway Pundit" is a garbage source.
So is Politifact, even though they sometimes get it right.

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Re: Jacksonville video game tournament shooting

Post by Anaxagoras » Wed Aug 29, 2018 4:41 pm

xouper wrote:
Wed Aug 29, 2018 4:37 pm
Anaxagoras wrote:
Wed Aug 29, 2018 4:23 pm
"Gateway Pundit" is a garbage source.
So is Politifact, even though they sometimes get it right.
Evidence?
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Re: Jacksonville video game tournament shooting

Post by xouper » Wed Aug 29, 2018 4:56 pm

Anaxagoras wrote:
Wed Aug 29, 2018 4:41 pm
xouper wrote:
Wed Aug 29, 2018 4:37 pm
Anaxagoras wrote:
Wed Aug 29, 2018 4:23 pm
"Gateway Pundit" is a garbage source.
So is Politifact, even though they sometimes get it right.
Evidence?
https://duckduckgo.com/?q=politifact+proven+wrong
https://duckduckgo.com/?q=politifact+bias

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Re: Jacksonville video game tournament shooting

Post by Abdul Alhazred » Wed Aug 29, 2018 5:20 pm

Anaxagoras wrote:
Wed Aug 29, 2018 4:23 pm
"Gateway Pundit" is a garbage source. That wasn't even the right reddit user.
Of course they are.

So is The New York Times.
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Re: Jacksonville video game tournament shooting

Post by Pyrrho » Wed Aug 29, 2018 6:33 pm

Sturgeon's Law applies.
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Re: Jacksonville video game tournament shooting

Post by Anaxagoras » Wed Aug 29, 2018 10:29 pm

xouper wrote:
Wed Aug 29, 2018 4:56 pm
Anaxagoras wrote:
Wed Aug 29, 2018 4:41 pm
xouper wrote:
Wed Aug 29, 2018 4:37 pm
Anaxagoras wrote:
Wed Aug 29, 2018 4:23 pm
"Gateway Pundit" is a garbage source.
So is Politifact, even though they sometimes get it right.
Evidence?
https://duckduckgo.com/?q=politifact+proven+wrong
https://duckduckgo.com/?q=politifact+bias
You'll need to do better than that. If you want to argue by link at least give a specific link, not a list of search results. The top result there is Breitbart, another garbage source.

meanwhile, here's what I found about Politifact with a little searching:

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/politifact/
LEAST BIASED

These sources have minimal bias and use very few loaded words (wording that attempts to influence an audience by using appeal to emotion or stereotypes). The reporting is factual and usually sourced. These are the most credible media sources. See all Least Biases sources.

Factual Reporting: HIGH
World Press Freedom Rank: USA 45/180
Analysis / Bias

In review, Politifact has been called left biased by some right leaning sources. In fact, there is a source called Politifact Bias that is dedicated to pointing out Politifact’s biases. Politifact is also a signatory of the International Fact Checking Network (IFCN), which outlines a code principles for credible fact checkers.

Politifact uses minimal loaded language in their articles and headlines such as this: Trump falsely claims NATO countries owe United States money for defense spending. All information is well sourced to credible media and/or direct statements from experts in the field or the politicians themselves. Fact Check selection leans slightly left as more right wing politicians are currently fact checked. This may be due to bias or the fact that Republicans currently control all branches of government and hence there is more to check. In fact, there was a recent academic study done that shows Politifact employs minimal bias through wording.

Overall, this update reveals a slight leftward shift in Politifact’s fact checking selection, but not enough to move them from the least biased category. (7/10/2016) Updated (D. Van Zandt 8/12/2018)
Breitbart on the other hand:
https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/breitbart/
QUESTIONABLE SOURCE

A questionable source exhibits one or more of the following: extreme bias, overt propaganda, poor or no sourcing to credible information and/or is fake news. Fake News is the deliberate attempt to publish hoaxes and/or disinformation for the purpose of profit or influence (Learn More). Sources listed in the Questionable Category may be very untrustworthy and should be fact checked on a per article basis. Please note sources on this list are not considered fake news unless specifically written in the notes section for that source. See all Questionable sources.
Analysis / Bias

Breitbart consist of various sections called Big Government, Big Journalism, Big Hollywood, National Security, Tech, Sports, and Wired.

Breitbart uses sensational emotionally loaded language in their headlines such as “Obama Loses 2 Million+ Followers During Twitter Fake Account Purge.” They utilize sources such as tabloid entertainment magazine Variety, and credible sources such as Bloomberg. as well as factually mixed sources such as the Daily Mail. Under the Big Hollywood section they publish tabloid stories such as “Fashion Notes: Melania Trump is Posh and Proper for Final Day in England” utilizing fashion sources such as farfetch.com

In general, the majority of published stories favor the right and are highly pro-Trump in tone and story selection.

A factual search reveals numerous failed fact checks by IFCN Fact Checkers. Here are just a few of many as an example:

Breitbart Duped by Fake News (Again) (False)
Following Joe Kennedy’s speech, Breitbart says Fall River, Mass. not built by immigrants (False)
Breitbart gets the wrong Loretta Lynch in Whitewater claim (Pants on Fire)
Did Planned Parenthood ‘Team Up’ With Satanists to Promote Abortion Rights in Missouri? (False)
Trump’s ISIS Conspiracy Theory (False)
Overall, we rate Breitbart Questionable based on extreme right wing bias and publication of numerous false claims. (M. Huitsing 7/14/2018)
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Re: Jacksonville video game tournament shooting

Post by Doctor X » Wed Aug 29, 2018 11:41 pm

Well, if you are going to nitpick Anax. . . .

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Re: Jacksonville video game tournament shooting

Post by xouper » Wed Aug 29, 2018 11:51 pm

Anaxagoras wrote:
Wed Aug 29, 2018 10:29 pm
xouper wrote:
Wed Aug 29, 2018 4:56 pm
Anaxagoras wrote:
Wed Aug 29, 2018 4:41 pm
xouper wrote:
Wed Aug 29, 2018 4:37 pm
Anaxagoras wrote:
Wed Aug 29, 2018 4:23 pm
"Gateway Pundit" is a garbage source.
So is Politifact, even though they sometimes get it right.
Evidence?
https://duckduckgo.com/?q=politifact+proven+wrong
https://duckduckgo.com/?q=politifact+bias
You'll need to do better than that. If you want to argue by link at least give a specific link, not a list of search results. The top result there is Breitbart, another garbage source.

meanwhile, here's what I found about Politifact with a little searching:

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/politifact/
The subjective and amateur opinions expressed by mediabiasfactcheck about politifact are contradicted by other sources.

I posted the search results so you can verify that I was not cherry picking anything and also so that you can read them all and make up your own mind.

If you only look at cherry picked sources that confirm your biases, and do not look at sources that provide the evidences you asked for about the problems with politifact, then there's nothing more I can do to help you find what you are looking for.

There is no shortcut that I can provide you in evaluating the credibility of any given source. If you are interested, you will investigate what various sources have to say about politifact. I cannot do that for you.

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Re: Jacksonville video game tournament shooting

Post by gnome » Sat Sep 01, 2018 3:19 pm

My take on fact checking sites snopes and politifact is that they usually provide more accurate, in depth, and follow up information than almost any other source. I don't know many other sites that do that so well.

Most legitimate criticism seems to center around how they classify the results and draw a conclusion. I've rarely (not sure if ever) seen a case where they brought nonfactual information (at least, not without being willing to fix it) or left out information that is important to evaluate the claim.
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Post by Pyrrho » Sat Sep 01, 2018 5:22 pm

So anyway, just how was this murderer with a psychiatric history able to obtain a firearm?
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Re: Jacksonville video game tournament shooting

Post by Doctor X » Sat Sep 01, 2018 5:34 pm

Yeah.

Not seeing an answer to that.

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Re: Jacksonville video game tournament shooting

Post by Giz » Sat Sep 01, 2018 9:24 pm

Pyrrho wrote:
Sat Sep 01, 2018 5:22 pm
So anyway, just how was this murderer with a psychiatric history able to obtain a firearm?
We can't stigmatize the mentally ill.

We can stigmatize lawful gun owners and the NRA but god forbid we punch down on the sociopaths. They are a minority don't you know.

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Post by Doctor X » Sun Sep 02, 2018 1:52 am

Then it should not have legal for him to purchase the weapons.

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Post by Anaxagoras » Sun Sep 02, 2018 12:40 pm

Gun grabbers!!!
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Post by Pyrrho » Sun Sep 02, 2018 12:55 pm

News reports are unclear about whether or not he was genuinely schizophrenic or what, exactly, were his mental health problems as claimed. It is claimed in articles that police have stated that he purchased the weapons legally in Baltimore.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/08/27/us/jacks ... index.html
Alexander Madunic, a gamer who was shot in the foot, said the shooter lost a game in the Madden tournament earlier in the day and was angry.
"He was kinda upset about that, so I'm guessing that had something else to do with it, too," Madunic said.

However, police say Katz's motive in the shooting remains under investigation and that he had legally purchased two handguns in Baltimore over the past month, one with a laser sight that attached to the gun.
and

https://www.cnn.com/2018/08/28/us/jacks ... index.html
Katz legally purchased a 9mm handgun and a .45-caliber handgun back home in Maryland in the last month, according to officials. One of the weapons had a laser sight that attached to the gun, officials said. It's unclear how he transported the weapons -- and extra ammunition -- to Jacksonville, or how he got them into the event.

Federal gun laws prohibit anyone who has been committed to a mental health institution against their will -- or adjudicated "mentally incompetent" -- from legally purchasing a firearm. A clinical history of psychological issues does not preclude someone from buying a gun. And such medical records are considered private, protected patient information.

Since 2013, residents in Maryland must obtain a handgun qualification license from the state police before purchasing a pistol or revolver. That means Katz would have submitted his fingerprints, undergone a background check, and passed a firearms safety training course to buy those guns.
I would not consider those requirements to be equivalent to a psychological evaluation.

So who knows. Seems obvious that the family was quite dysfunctional when he was a child. That doesn't mean he was schizophrenic or mentally ill. Emotionally disturbed would go with the dysfunctional family territory. As an adult? Who knows.
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Post by Anaxagoras » Sun Sep 02, 2018 1:26 pm

Well, unless he was "involuntarily committed" to an institution or "adjudicated mentally incompetent" then I guess that legally he was allowed to purchase a gun.
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