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Re: Jacksonville video game tournament shooting

Post by WildCat » Sun Sep 02, 2018 2:19 pm

It's unclear how he transported the weapons -- and extra ammunition -- to Jacksonville, or how he got them into the event.

Uh, he carried them there? It's not illegal to travel with firearms and unless the Jacksonville event had controlled access with metal detectors there were no barriers there either. What's unclear about it? Do they think maybe he teleported the weapons there?
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Re: Jacksonville video game tournament shooting

Post by Pyrrho » Sun Sep 02, 2018 2:45 pm

"Unclear" means "We don't know." It is waffle language that adds that special touch of mystery.
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Re: Jacksonville video game tournament shooting

Post by WildCat » Sun Sep 02, 2018 3:06 pm

Maybe they're baffled how he carried guns past the "no guns" sign.
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Re: Jacksonville video game tournament shooting

Post by Doctor X » Sun Sep 02, 2018 5:15 pm

And there is your problem:
Federal gun laws prohibit anyone who has been committed to a mental health institution against their will -- or adjudicated "mentally incompetent" -- from legally purchasing a firearm. A clinical history of psychological issues does not preclude someone from buying a gun. And such medical records are considered private, protected patient information.
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Re: Jacksonville video game tournament shooting

Post by Anaxagoras » Mon Sep 03, 2018 2:01 am

Doctor X wrote:
Sun Sep 02, 2018 5:15 pm
And there is your problem:
Federal gun laws prohibit anyone who has been committed to a mental health institution against their will -- or adjudicated "mentally incompetent" -- from legally purchasing a firearm. A clinical history of psychological issues does not preclude someone from buying a gun. And such medical records are considered private, protected patient information.
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Are you suggesting that such medical records should not be private, protected patient information?
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Re: Jacksonville video game tournament shooting

Post by Giz » Mon Sep 03, 2018 2:39 am

Anaxagoras wrote:
Mon Sep 03, 2018 2:01 am
Doctor X wrote:
Sun Sep 02, 2018 5:15 pm
And there is your problem:
Federal gun laws prohibit anyone who has been committed to a mental health institution against their will -- or adjudicated "mentally incompetent" -- from legally purchasing a firearm. A clinical history of psychological issues does not preclude someone from buying a gun. And such medical records are considered private, protected patient information.
--J.D.
Are you suggesting that such medical records should not be private, protected patient information?
Should part of the background check include ‘you have to agree to waive your privacy rights regarding mental health records’? Seems like it should be open to debate. That is, if we actually want to address the issues rather than putting a blanket ban on all citizens.

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Re: Jacksonville video game tournament shooting

Post by Doctor X » Mon Sep 03, 2018 4:51 am

Anaxagoras wrote:
Mon Sep 03, 2018 2:01 am
Are you suggesting that such medical records should not be private, protected patient information?
They already are not for some things such as a medical license.

A physician is required to report to the DMV that you have had a seizure.

This seems to fit the same situation.

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Re: Jacksonville video game tournament shooting

Post by Anaxagoras » Mon Sep 03, 2018 6:36 am

Doctor X wrote:
Mon Sep 03, 2018 4:51 am
Anaxagoras wrote:
Mon Sep 03, 2018 2:01 am
Are you suggesting that such medical records should not be private, protected patient information?
They already are not for some things such as a medical license.

A physician is required to report to the DMV that you have had a seizure.

This seems to fit the same situation.

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I guess that's a fair point. Airline pilots also need to have their medical records scrutinized for public safety. If we had something like, you need a license similar to a driver's license to legally own a firearm, then perhaps that could be one of the things they check before they issue the license. And the background check that you go though before purchasing a gun could be handled at the license stage instead of at the gun store. But gun rights activists will argue that it's a constitutional right, not a privilege, so why should you need a license to exercise a constitutional right.
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Re: Jacksonville video game tournament shooting

Post by Doctor X » Mon Sep 03, 2018 6:55 am

But gun rights activists will argue that it's a constitutional right, not a privilege, so why should you need a license to exercise a constitutional right.
They may, but the law is against them on that respect. Otherwise, we would not have permits for concealed carry allowable in certain states/cities. You cannot carry a firearm onto federal properties. "BUT THAT INFRINGES MY RIGHT TO BEAR ARMS!!"

It does. I do not think I have to tell you that the law is always a balancing act, even with constitutional law. The Founding Fathers wished to prevent the blanket confiscation of weapons as done by the Loser Brits Who Lost Losers Lost. Though to the very anti-gun types who try to argue that the Second Amendment somehow only applies to a militia, I ask why Washington, Adams, then Jefferson never sought to have weapons confiscated save for those used by "well-regulated militia." States did not do this either.

More to point is the failure of enforcement. A few days ago, following an "internet wormhole" I ended up on a discussion on how you can legally purchase a gun without any background check, license, you name it. Leave aside the practical problem of a simple illegal sale: nothing stops me selling you a gun other than one of us or both of us somehow getting caught.

Anyways, back to reality, assuming the details thus far are known, this is a problem. It does not have an easy solution since laws usually fail to handle nuance. For example: a Pro-Gun Respondent [Tm.--Ed.] will argue "so anyone who is 'depressed' after seeing their CHILDREN fall into a garlic press, and who seeks help, must GIVE UP HIS GUNS?!!!1!!" or suggest that a restriction will "prevent those with t3h r34lz problems from seeking help because THEIR GUNS!"

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Re: Jacksonville video game tournament shooting

Post by xouper » Mon Sep 03, 2018 7:57 am

Doctor X wrote:
Mon Sep 03, 2018 6:55 am
But gun rights activists will argue that it's a constitutional right, not a privilege, so why should you need a license to exercise a constitutional right.
They may, but the law is against them on that respect. Otherwise, we would not have permits for concealed carry allowable in certain states/cities.
In most states the law is not against them.

And the trend (except in the Democratic Peoples Republic of Kalifornia) is that the law is becoming more favorable towards carry without a license or permit.

See for example: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_carr ... ted_States

Also, for concealed carry, more and more states are rescinding the requirement for permits. For example, in Vermont and several other states, no license is required to carry concealed. This is sometimes referred to as Constitutional Carry.

See for example: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constitutional_carry

Also, the constitutionality of requiring permits for concealed carry has not yet been tested in the Supreme Court.