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Woodward's new book on Trump

Post by ed » Wed Sep 05, 2018 9:07 pm

In ‘Fear,’ Bob Woodward Pulls Back the Curtain on President Trump’s ‘Crazytown’

By Dwight Garner

Sept. 5, 2018

Nothing in Bob Woodward’s sober and grainy new book, “Fear: Trump in the White House,” is especially surprising. This is a White House that has leaked from Day 1. We knew things were bad. Woodward is here, like a state trooper knocking on the door at 3 a.m., to update the sorry details.

Some of these details, at first glance, are amusing. Trump lamented when Twitter, the social media platform on which he dispenses Pez-sized pellets of discourtesy, raised the maximum size of an individual tweet from 140 to 280 characters because, he is quoted as saying, “I was the Ernest Hemingway of 140 characters.” Somewhere in heaven, Papa is wondering if he can’t self-destruct all over again.

It is stranger still to learn that Trump orders his most popular tweets printed out, so that he can study them. What lesson has he learned? That his most effective tweets are often the most unhinged. He’s a focus group of one, thriving on the smell of his own sulfur. Reince Priebus, his former chief of staff, calls the presidential bedroom, where Trump goes to tweet, “the devil’s workshop,” and early mornings and Sunday nights, when Trump is at loose ends, “the witching hour.”

Some in the White House have tried to tone down the president’s online effusions, but that idea seems to have been jettisoned in the havoc. His advisers are viewed in mostly pitiless terms by Woodward. “Trump had failed the President Lincoln test,” he writes. “He had not put a team of political rivals or competitors at the table.”
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/09/05/book ... e=Homepage

How much is true? Who knows.
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Re: Woodward's new book on Trump

Post by Grammatron » Wed Sep 05, 2018 9:11 pm

Mattis already made a very unusual for him step on commenting:
http://thehill.com/policy/defense/overn ... tion-house
"The contemptuous words about the President attributed to me in Woodward's book were never uttered by me or in my presence," Mattis said in a statement. "While I generally enjoy reading fiction, this is a uniquely Washington brand of literature, and his anonymous sources do not lend credibility."

"In serving in this administration, the idea that I would show contempt for the elected Commander-in-Chief, President Trump, or tolerate disrespect to the office of the President from within our Department of Defense, is a product of someone's rich imagination," Mattis adds.
Go ahead, call Mattis a liar and Russian agent

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Re: Woodward's new book on Trump

Post by sparks » Wed Sep 05, 2018 9:12 pm

What percentage of it being true does it take?
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Re: Woodward's new book on Trump

Post by Grammatron » Wed Sep 05, 2018 9:14 pm

sparks wrote:
Wed Sep 05, 2018 9:12 pm
What percentage of it being true does it take?
In journalism?

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Re: Woodward's new book on Trump

Post by sparks » Wed Sep 05, 2018 9:17 pm

Evasion noted.
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Re: Woodward's new book on Trump

Post by Grammatron » Wed Sep 05, 2018 9:20 pm

Indeed it is.

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Re: Woodward's new book on Trump

Post by sparks » Wed Sep 05, 2018 9:25 pm

Nice.

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Re: Woodward's new book on Trump

Post by xouper » Wed Sep 05, 2018 9:28 pm

sparks wrote:
Wed Sep 05, 2018 9:12 pm
What percentage of it being true does it take?
Fill in the blank: What percentage of it being true does it take to be _____________________ ?

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Re: Woodward's new book on Trump

Post by sparks » Wed Sep 05, 2018 9:30 pm

Rational.
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Re: Woodward's new book on Trump

Post by Grammatron » Wed Sep 05, 2018 9:32 pm

sparks wrote:
Wed Sep 05, 2018 9:25 pm
Nice.

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Re: Woodward's new book on Trump

Post by xouper » Wed Sep 05, 2018 9:53 pm

sparks wrote:
Wed Sep 05, 2018 9:30 pm
Rational.
Thanks, now I can answer your question.

Since this is a math question, first let's define some terms.

Let x be the percentage of verified truth in Woodward's book.

Let y be the percentage of it being true it takes for Woodward's book to be rational.

My answer to your question is x < y.

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Re: Woodward's new book on Trump

Post by Abdul Alhazred » Wed Sep 05, 2018 10:31 pm

sparks wrote:
Wed Sep 05, 2018 9:12 pm
What percentage of it being true does it take?
It's 100% made up shit, but some of it might be coincidentally true sort of.
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Re: Woodward's new book on Trump

Post by sparks » Wed Sep 05, 2018 11:44 pm

That's not what I asked.
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Re: Woodward's new book on Trump

Post by sparks » Wed Sep 05, 2018 11:46 pm

Grammatron wrote:
Wed Sep 05, 2018 9:32 pm
sparks wrote:
Wed Sep 05, 2018 9:25 pm
Nice.

Now please do the Indian rope trick. Whereupon you crawl up out of a swamp full of Dummycrats into the eternal bliss of Rethuglicunt heaven.
Tricks are great for avoiding reality, I see why you enjoy them so
And I now know why you avoid ending your sentences with the customary punctuation mark(.)
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Re: Woodward's new book on Trump

Post by xouper » Thu Sep 06, 2018 1:56 am

sparks wrote:
Wed Sep 05, 2018 11:44 pm
That's not what I asked.
Since you posted that immediately following Adbul's post, I'll assume you were addressing that to him (and not me), and which also implies you decided my answer did not inspire any further discussion. :)

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Re: Woodward's new book on Trump

Post by gnome » Thu Sep 06, 2018 2:03 am

Grammatron wrote:
Wed Sep 05, 2018 9:11 pm
Mattis already made a very unusual for him step on commenting:
http://thehill.com/policy/defense/overn ... tion-house
"The contemptuous words about the President attributed to me in Woodward's book were never uttered by me or in my presence," Mattis said in a statement. "While I generally enjoy reading fiction, this is a uniquely Washington brand of literature, and his anonymous sources do not lend credibility."

"In serving in this administration, the idea that I would show contempt for the elected Commander-in-Chief, President Trump, or tolerate disrespect to the office of the President from within our Department of Defense, is a product of someone's rich imagination," Mattis adds.
Go ahead, call Mattis a liar and Russian agent
I'll offer a different take, but purely speculative.

If he HAD made such a statement in private, it would be very professional of him to deny it publicly. Doesn't that happen all the time? Divided in private, united in public. That's a valid management technique.

It doesn't prove anything one way or the other, of course.
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Re: Woodward's new book on Trump

Post by Abdul Alhazred » Thu Sep 06, 2018 2:25 pm

Mark Steyn' s take on Woodward's new book:

I'm assuming he read it so we don't have to. :notsure:
It's about as credible as the lesbian make-out scene in Wild Things 2.
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Re: Woodward's new book on Trump

Post by sparks » Thu Sep 06, 2018 6:19 pm

xouper wrote:
Thu Sep 06, 2018 1:56 am
sparks wrote:
Wed Sep 05, 2018 11:44 pm
That's not what I asked.
Since you posted that immediately following Adbul's post, I'll assume you were addressing that to him (and not me), and which also implies you decided my answer did not inspire any further discussion. :)
That's about right. I just can't talk to you or Grammy. You both appear to be intelligent peeps, but "you just can't be reached". :De_Bunk:
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Re: Woodward's new book on Trump

Post by Grammatron » Thu Sep 06, 2018 6:46 pm

I'm open to dialogue at any time, I just object to "jumping" in an out of humor during a "serious" discussion. I love shitposting as much as the next person but if a conversation is earnest I prefer to keep it that way. But it's a free country and free forum so I won't nor can force you into it.

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Re: Woodward's new book on Trump

Post by Skeeve » Thu Sep 06, 2018 7:54 pm

FEAR: Bob Woodward’s New Book Says Trump Staff Trashes POTUS

Yea, they talked trash about Andrew Jackson too....
...but not too loudly, or too closely, as dueling was still in vogue back in the day....

Evidences:
Forget Twitter wars, Andrew Jackson challenged more than 100 men to duels (but only killed one)
Jackson, the controversial seventh president of the United States, was notoriously thin-skinned. He had a temper that landed him the reputation of a volcano that “only the most intrepid or recklessly curious cared to see it erupt,” according to biographer H.W. Brands. Jackson seemed to recognize that about himself, once saying, “I was born for a storm, and a calm does not suit me.”

But Jackson didn’t settle his scores in 140 characters or less. He challenged his foes to duels ...
Meanwhile, Does Bob [Worse than Watergate] Woodward’s New Book Actually Tell Us Anything We Don’t Know?
[mine] Probably not...another "tempest in a tea kettle"
...
The White House is questioning Woodward’s credibility. Admittedly, Woodward has taken some liberty with the truth in the past…like his “interview” with terminally ill and bedridden CIA director Bill Casey (here are some other famous departures from reality by Woodward). And Woodward frequently treats hearsay by non-participants in meetings as though their recounting was actual fact.
Sounds about right....
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Then Skank Of America could start in...