Humor: Why Can't a Man Be a Dinner Whore Too?

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Humor: Why Can't a Man Be a Dinner Whore Too?

Post by Skeeve » Wed Sep 12, 2018 1:03 pm

Why Can't a Man Be a Dinner Whore Too?
Paul Guadalupe Gonzales, 45, allegedly connected with a string of women through dating apps and websites and invited them out to dinner between May 2016 and this April with the intent of using them as a meal ticket, the L.A. County District Attorney's Office said in a news release.

He arranged dates at restaurants in Pasadena, Long Beach, Burbank and Los Angeles, where he ordered and consumed food and drinks, then disappeared before the bill had been paid, the DA's office said.

Eight women told prosecutors they'd footed the bill, one of them under the belief that Gonzales would pay her back. And at least twice, the restaurant paid its own check — making those businesses victims in the criminal complaint, officials said.

In total, Gonzales is accused of defrauding the women of more than $950.

He's also charged with receiving hair salon services, then leaving before paying....

He was subsequently charged with seven counts of extortion, two counts of attempted extortion and one count of grand theft — all felonies. He also faces two misdemeanor counts each of defrauding an innkeeper and petty theft.

If convicted as charged, the defendant could spend up to 13 years in state prison, prosecutors said.
Okay, I get the conviction for running out on the hair salons but I bet that's not where the problem is. The big issue here is that Gonzales is a man daring to use women as a meal ticket rather than the other way around. How dare he step on women's turf! Many women have been using men for years as a meal ticket and now some guy thinks he can do the same. The nerve. In fact, women using men for meals is so common that there is a name for them: "dinner whores."
Funny, I thought one was paying for the company...go figure. But she makes a good point though...
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Do you really think a woman who left her date after dinner without paying would be facing a felony and up to 13 years? Of course not.
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Re: Humor: Why Can't a Man Be a Dinner Whore Too?

Post by Abdul Alhazred » Wed Sep 12, 2018 1:06 pm

A lot of heteronormative assumption going on here, but that's OK. :)
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Re: Humor: Why Can't a Man Be a Dinner Whore Too?

Post by shuize » Wed Sep 12, 2018 9:35 pm

Yes, women have been getting away with this shit for a long time. I'm ok with the misdemeanor charges (felony extortion is unreasonable) as long as prosecutors start charging women who bail on their dates, too.

But, of course, that will never happen.

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Re: Humor: Why Can't a Man Be a Dinner Whore Too?

Post by gnome » Wed Sep 12, 2018 11:15 pm

Is that a thing, women sneaking out on a dinner date after ordering and getting their food?

The issue of using dating to get dinner is separate from the dine&dash, isn't it?
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Re: Humor: Why Can't a Man Be a Dinner Whore Too?

Post by Grammatron » Wed Sep 12, 2018 11:25 pm

gnome wrote:
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Is that a thing, women sneaking out on a dinner date after ordering and getting their food?
Yes
The issue of using dating to get dinner is separate from the dine&dash, isn't it?
Yes

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Re: Humor: Why Can't a Man Be a Dinner Whore Too?

Post by Abdul Alhazred » Wed Sep 12, 2018 11:30 pm

Sneaking out?

Or merely deciding not to put out? :?
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Re: Humor: Why Can't a Man Be a Dinner Whore Too?

Post by Abdul Alhazred » Wed Sep 12, 2018 11:30 pm

As for 'dine and dash' that can also be done solo or by couples together. :BigGrin3:
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Re: Humor: Why Can't a Man Be a Dinner Whore Too?

Post by Grammatron » Wed Sep 12, 2018 11:33 pm

Abdul Alhazred wrote:
Wed Sep 12, 2018 11:30 pm
Sneaking out?

Or merely deciding not to put out? :?
Sneaking out

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Post by Abdul Alhazred » Wed Sep 12, 2018 11:52 pm

Well at least I was right about 'dine and dash'. 8)
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Re: Humor: Why Can't a Man Be a Dinner Whore Too?

Post by Anaxagoras » Thu Sep 13, 2018 12:11 am

He is being charged with extortion now although they don't seem to explain why. Perhaps I didn't read the article carefully enough.

https://www.google.com/amp/www.foxnews. ... s.amp.html

As far as the social tradition that a man pays for the meal on a date, I don't think you can blame feminism for that one. Perhaps we need a new social norm. I think some women and some men still prefer traditional gender roles. They work fine for some people.

Take away the "date" element and what this guy did is clearly theft. You can't just walk out of a restaurant without paying for your meal. And if a woman did the same thing I would be fine with prosecuting her.

Maybe first dates should be "Dutch". Each person pays for what they order. You have to discuss this stuff in advance though if you want to protect yourself. Or you can just see it as a risk worth taking.
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Re: Humor: Why Can't a Man Be a Dinner Whore Too?

Post by shuize » Thu Sep 13, 2018 2:48 am

Anaxagoras wrote:
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... You can't just walk out of a restaurant without paying for your meal...
If a woman says, "Oh, I thought you were going to pay" and walks away, she's far more likely to get away with it.

If I were that guy's lawyer, I'd tell him to start identifying as a woman.

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Re: Humor: Why Can't a Man Be a Dinner Whore Too?

Post by Anaxagoras » Thu Sep 13, 2018 3:47 am

shuize wrote:
Thu Sep 13, 2018 2:48 am
Anaxagoras wrote:
Thu Sep 13, 2018 12:11 am
... Or you can just see it as a risk worth taking.
If a woman says, "Oh, I thought you were going to pay" and walks away, she's far more likely to get away with it.

If I were his lawyer, I'd tell him to start identifying as a woman.
I think it's equally wrong whether a woman does it or a man. I can only speak for myself.

My advice for both men and women who don't want to fall victim to this is to clarify who is going to pay for the meal before you order. And tell the waiter or waitress too. "We'll have separate checks please." That way there can be no "Oh, I thought you were going to pay." Problem solved.

I'm not going to say "Since some women have gotten away with this in the past, therefore this man should be allowed to get away with it too."


In a way, this is like the Serena Williams thing the other day. She thought that she was being unfairly singled out because of her gender because (allegedy) "a man would be allowed to get away with it." It wasn't true, in fact. It was reported that the same umpire had given similar warnings to male players. He's well-known for being a "stickler" for the rules. And not just for women and not just for Serena Williams.

So my argument here is similar to Martina Navratilova's point about Serena Williams: bad behavior by one person cannot justify bad behavior by another.
I don’t believe it’s a good idea to apply a standard of “If men can get away with it, women should be able to, too.”


I agree with that, as well as its corollary: It's also not a good idea to apply a standard of “If women can get away with it, men should be able to, too.” Instead, let's see what we can do so that nobody gets away with it.
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Re: Humor: Why Can't a Man Be a Dinner Whore Too?

Post by Anaxagoras » Thu Sep 13, 2018 4:22 am

I seem to recall reading somewhere that in the olden days some restaurants would have two differnt menus: one with the prices, and one without the prices, and they'd give men the menu with the prices and give women the menu without the prices. I don't think I've ever personally enountered that, but I tend to avoid really expensive restaraunts unless someone else is paying for it.
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Re: Humor: Why Can't a Man Be a Dinner Whore Too?

Post by Abdul Alhazred » Thu Sep 13, 2018 9:20 am

Anaxagoras wrote:
Thu Sep 13, 2018 4:22 am
I seem to recall reading somewhere that in the olden days some restaurants would have two differnt menus: one with the prices, and one without the prices, and they'd give men the menu with the prices and give women the menu without the prices. I don't think I've ever personally enountered that, but I tend to avoid really expensive restaraunts unless someone else is paying for it.
I have encountered menus with no price like that, but it was a corporation paying for a business lunch, not a date.
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