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Control the language, control the people

Post by ed » Sun Sep 30, 2018 12:41 pm

Orwell said that language makes humans easy to control—control their language and you control the people. A simple example of that notion was brought home to me one day when I was talking to a young Chinese woman who told me that her dialect had no word that matched the English word for privacy. Privacy was a concept her parents didn’t understand. So there was no such thing as privacy in her parents' house. After living in America for a number of years, it drove this young woman crazy to go back to China and not have the privacy she had gotten used to. There was no lock on her bedroom door. When she put a table in front of the door so she could be alone, her mother came unglued and accused her of being an unloving daughter. America had ruined her.
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Scary. I note that the MSM is peculiarly silent on the efforts at censorship in the EU and China, and the complicity of Google et al in those efforts.
Redefining words goes hand in hand with what information can be transmitted:
Even before such EU-wide legislation, similar ostensible "anti-terror legislation" in France, for example, is being used as a political tool against political opponents and to limit unwanted free speech. Marine Le Pen, leader of France's Front National, was charged earlier this year for tweeting images in 2015 of ISIS atrocities, including the beheading of American journalist James Foley and a photo of a man being burned by ISIS in a cage. She faces charges of circulating "violent messages that incite terrorism or pornography or seriously harm human dignity", and that can be viewed by a minor. The purported crime is punishable by up to three years in prison and a fine of €75,000 ($88,000). Le Pen posted the pictures a few weeks after the Paris terror attacks in November 2015, in which 130 people were killed, and the text she wrote to accompany the images was "Daesh is this!" In France, then, simply spreading information about ISIS atrocities is now considered "incitement to terrorism". It is this kind of legislation, it seems, that the European Commission now wishes to impose on all of the EU.

The decision to enact legislation in this area was taken at the June 2018 European Council meeting – a gathering of all the EU's heads of state – in which the Council welcomed "the intention of the Commission to present a legislative proposal to improve the detection and removal of content that incites hatred and to commit terrorist acts". It sounds, however, as if the EU is planning to legislate about a lot more than just "terrorism".
https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/1304 ... censorship

What did Orwell say about the vocabulary of the peope in 1984? ..
"The purpose of Newspeak was not only to provide a medium of expression for the world-view and mental habits proper to the devotees of Ingsoc, but to make all other modes of thought impossible. Its vocabulary was so constructed as to give exact and often very subtle expression to every meaning that a Party member could properly wish to express, while excluding all other meaning and also the possibility of arriving at them by indirect methods. This was done partly by the invention of new words, but chiefly by eliminating undesirable words and stripping such words as remained of unorthodox meanings, and so far as possible of all secondary meaning whatever."[10]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newspeak

Sound familiar?

I suppose I am a bit sensitized to this stuff and it may not be as bad as it appears to me. That said, the lefts control of acceptable language under the guise of PC/hate speech etc xeemss a bit more than anything I have been exposed to hitherto.

Anyway YMMV
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Re: Control the language, control the people

Post by Doctor X » Sun Sep 30, 2018 1:33 pm

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Re: Control the language, control the people

Post by ed » Sun Sep 30, 2018 1:59 pm

Yes, but I am dry now.

Actually that is an interesting case in point. It had been a mildly degragatory word for people who illegally enter the country, law breakers in fact.

Now, some leftie meta-power redefines the word to be "unacceptable" and the minions, bovine like, nod and twist in a nanosecond. A pretty good example of what Orwell was talking about.

You are seeing the same thing with "indians", not the dot variety, ours. Among the people that the term indian or native american refers to, there is disagreement as to the the word that is preferred. Leave it to the left (mostly white guys with trust accounts) to make the decision for them. If you don't use "native american" you are a racist (boo hiss).

Examples abound. But they miss the core issue and that is that language is getting redefined on Orwellian terms. A trivial example is the term "assault rifle", which has been beat up to death here. At one time, the lefties tried to float the term "assault pistol" to refer to ... not sure what. Haven't heard that one for a while now.

When everything is an "assault" something then the very concept of a firearm for some non-military purpose is simply not defined, again, exactly what Orwell was talking about:
while excluding all other meaning and also the possibility of arriving at them by indirect methods.
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Re: Control the language, control the people

Post by Doctor X » Sun Sep 30, 2018 2:05 pm

"Mildly derogatory."

If only inappropriate labels made reality.

Those who do not study history are doom'd to have their asses handed to them by their Nemesis:



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Re: Control the language, control the people

Post by sparks » Sun Sep 30, 2018 2:07 pm

Beware the assault knife! (And I'm not so sure about this fork here...)
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Re: Control the language, control the people

Post by ed » Sun Sep 30, 2018 2:13 pm

sparks wrote:
Sun Sep 30, 2018 2:07 pm
Beware the assault knife! (And I'm not so sure about this fork here...)
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The text is interesting ...
If you carry a knife you risk being sent to prison and increase your chance of being seriously injured or killed
IOW, the Brit prison system is not a safe place. Seems like a threat to me.
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Re: Control the language, control the people

Post by Doctor X » Sun Sep 30, 2018 2:19 pm

I disagree with the placement of suppressors on semi-assault knives.

Meanwhile, as I noted to myself when another poster continually used a racial slur because he wants to seem "Kool" to the young adults under half his age that live on 4-chan and Freeper or even Stormfront, one should ask oneself if anyone of consequence uses such a designation.

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Re: Control the language, control the people

Post by ed » Sun Sep 30, 2018 2:22 pm

"Political correctness is fascism pretending to be manners." - George Carlin
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Re: Control the language, control the people

Post by Doctor X » Sun Sep 30, 2018 2:35 pm

I refer the racist to the explanation regarding the inappropriate use of labels in a futile attempt to change meaning I previously gave which, interestingly, proves something George Carlin understood.

Since such is wont to engage in an appeal to inappropriate authority, allow me to educate that Carlin would find the term derogatory and had discussed such:



then I would prove surprised if such did not research his own authority.

"It's the racist asshole who's using it."

Indeed.

The context of the use of such terms revealed the obvious. The term was developed for that context if anyone bothered to actually do research. The term was used by the racist in that context.

It really is not terribly complicated, but I suspect such want the freedom to be racist without the consequences. One is free to be racist, certainly, up to, of course, where it infringes upon the rights of others. One is not free to escape recognition as such. There is a delicious irony in that too many "social justice warriors" label anything that disagrees with them as "racist." There are those who commit racism by assuming racism. Yet, none of that applies to this case anymore than they would to someone who calls Obama a "nigger," or Louis Farrakhan, et cetera ad nauseam.

I suppose I will have to explain why "Sand Nigger" is offensive based on, yes, "context" when labeling someone with that term.

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Re: Control the language, control the people

Post by ed » Sun Sep 30, 2018 4:21 pm

Yup.
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Re: Control the language, control the people

Post by Abdul Alhazred » Sun Sep 30, 2018 4:37 pm

Unlike in 1984, the fashionable faction of the ruling class does not have complete control.

And Orwell's afterword that you quoted implies that Big Brother's regime will not succeed very long after Winston's time.

Here's a story of a regime of that type that will succeed :)

http://you-books.com/book/W-Tenn/The-Servant-Problem
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Re: Control the language, control the people

Post by sparks » Sun Sep 30, 2018 7:03 pm

How about the term 'Propeller-Head'? :)

https://www.urbandictionary.com/define. ... pellerhead
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Re: Control the language, control the people

Post by Doctor X » Sun Sep 30, 2018 7:09 pm

Geek is not a race.

A disgrace maybe.

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Re: Control the language, control the people

Post by sparks » Sun Sep 30, 2018 7:14 pm

I find myself wishing I were smart enough to earn the title 'Propeller Head'. But, alas, such was not to be. I must suffer on with 'Enginerd'. Sometimes 'Uber-Enginerd', if someone is feeling particularly generous.

Little do they realize that I have their very souls in a jar by the door, and can destroy them, nay destroy them ALL at a whim!!!11 Eleventy etc. (Insert maniacal laughter here)
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Re: Control the language, control the people

Post by Doctor X » Sun Sep 30, 2018 7:20 pm

What did you do with Eleanor Rigby's?

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Re: Control the language, control the people

Post by sparks » Sun Sep 30, 2018 7:28 pm

Her jar by the door was broken by the cat. Apparently, kitty was pissed about a change in diet that he found wanting.
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Re: Control the language, control the people

Post by Witness » Sun Sep 30, 2018 10:13 pm

Abdul Alhazred wrote:
Sun Sep 30, 2018 4:37 pm
Here's a story of a regime of that type that will succeed :)

http://you-books.com/book/W-Tenn/The-Servant-Problem
Kind of mutual recursion. :mrgreen:

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Re: Control the language, control the people

Post by ed » Mon Oct 01, 2018 1:31 am

Abdul Alhazred wrote:
Sun Sep 30, 2018 4:37 pm
Unlike in 1984, the fashionable faction of the ruling class does not have complete control.

And Orwell's afterword that you quoted implies that Big Brother's regime will not succeed very long after Winston's time.

Here's a story of a regime of that type that will succeed :)

http://you-books.com/book/W-Tenn/The-Servant-Problem

Dunno. They have control over the most important levers I think. I also think that we don't know the half of it.

God, I am sounding like a conspiracy nut.
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