The Right-Wing Rot at the Heart of the German State

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The Right-Wing Rot at the Heart of the German State

Post by ed » Wed Oct 03, 2018 11:43 am

BERLIN — Right-wing protests in Germany these days are an unusual spectacle: The police sometimes seem more like uniformed extras than able keepers of public order.

This summer, scenes played out that were nearly unimaginable a few years before. In the eastern Saxon city of Chemnitz, thousands of people joined a right-wing protest spurred by suspicions that an Iraqi and a Syrian had killed a German man. Several protesters gave the illegal “Heil Hitler” salute and chanted, “We are fans, Adolf Hitler hooligans,” while outnumbered police officers looked on. Packs chased people of questionable skin color through the streets with little hindrance by the authorities.
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/03/opin ... e=Homepage

A while back some euro-trash acquaintance, without preamble, decided to lecture me about america's failings regarding firearms.

Generally I smile benignly and offer some platitudes and let it go. This time I let him have it. Without going into detail, I outlined Europe's (and his country, the UK) contribution to the death murder, genocide of millions upon millions in Wars on their stupid little continent over th course of the 20th century. I told him that he has zero moral right to lecture anyone. I further pointed out that, once again, he and his leftie pals are setting the stage for European war/violence by immigration policies that can only inflame the citizens of their respective countries.

I offer the story, above, as evidence.
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Re: The Right-Wing Rot at the Heart of the German State

Post by Abdul Alhazred » Wed Oct 03, 2018 12:24 pm

Isn't Merkel supposedly what passes for right wing in modern Germany?
You know, because not a Marxist?

And are the WWII loser LARPERs demanding Poland give up some Lebensraum the way Merkel does?
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Post by gnome » Wed Oct 03, 2018 1:06 pm

ed wrote:
Wed Oct 03, 2018 11:43 am
setting the stage for European war/violence by immigration policies that can only inflame the citizens of their respective countries.
I acknowledge that immigration policies have consequences and you can set up ones that are terrible folly. But I've got serious trouble with this line of reasoning.

Was it so long ago in the US, that racial integration policies "set the stage" for violence by inflaming segregationists in their respective states?

This is not a made up or trivial concern--I get it--but would we have been better off appeasing segregationists? I argue not.
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Re: The Right-Wing Rot at the Heart of the German State

Post by WildCat » Wed Oct 03, 2018 1:07 pm

What's that phrase, something like "Fascism is forever descending on America, but always lands in Europe"?
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Re: The Right-Wing Rot at the Heart of the German State

Post by Abdul Alhazred » Wed Oct 03, 2018 1:20 pm

I think the paradigm is as follows:

1) "Mainstream" says: If you want to restrict immigration you're a Nazi. Period.
2) "Far Right": OK. Fuck it. We're Nazis.
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Re: The Right-Wing Rot at the Heart of the German State

Post by Abdul Alhazred » Wed Oct 03, 2018 1:21 pm

WildCat wrote:
Wed Oct 03, 2018 1:07 pm
What's that phrase, something like "Fascism is forever descending on America, but always lands in Europe"?
The USA has the world's least efficient Fascists.

Remember when LBJ was one? Nixon? :oldman:
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Re: The Right-Wing Rot at the Heart of the German State

Post by gnome » Wed Oct 03, 2018 1:42 pm

Abdul Alhazred wrote:
Wed Oct 03, 2018 1:20 pm
I think the paradigm is as follows:

1) "Mainstream" says: If you want to restrict immigration you're a Nazi. Period.
2) "Far Right": OK. Fuck it. We're Nazis.
One is an unjustified smear.
The other is becoming a Nazi out of spite.
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Re: The Right-Wing Rot at the Heart of the German State

Post by Abdul Alhazred » Wed Oct 03, 2018 1:45 pm

gnome wrote:
Wed Oct 03, 2018 1:42 pm
Abdul Alhazred wrote:
Wed Oct 03, 2018 1:20 pm
I think the paradigm is as follows:

1) "Mainstream" says: If you want to restrict immigration you're a Nazi. Period.
2) "Far Right": OK. Fuck it. We're Nazis.
One is an unjustified smear.
The other is becoming a Nazi out of spite.
Correct, but I rather doubt they follow the entire Nazi line.
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Re: The Right-Wing Rot at the Heart of the German State

Post by gnome » Wed Oct 03, 2018 2:23 pm

Abdul Alhazred wrote:
Wed Oct 03, 2018 1:45 pm
gnome wrote:
Wed Oct 03, 2018 1:42 pm
Abdul Alhazred wrote:
Wed Oct 03, 2018 1:20 pm
I think the paradigm is as follows:

1) "Mainstream" says: If you want to restrict immigration you're a Nazi. Period.
2) "Far Right": OK. Fuck it. We're Nazis.
One is an unjustified smear.
The other is becoming a Nazi out of spite.
Correct, but I rather doubt they follow the entire Nazi line.
Just the good parts.
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Re: The Right-Wing Rot at the Heart of the German State

Post by Abdul Alhazred » Wed Oct 03, 2018 2:34 pm

IIRC, the gripe against Hitler was something other than that he wouldn't let refugees in.
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Post by gnome » Wed Oct 03, 2018 2:41 pm

That flies well. "We're like Hitler, except without all the conquest and murdering."
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Post by Doctor X » Wed Oct 03, 2018 2:42 pm

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Re: The Right-Wing Rot at the Heart of the German State

Post by Abdul Alhazred » Wed Oct 03, 2018 2:45 pm

gnome wrote:
Wed Oct 03, 2018 2:41 pm
That flies well. "We're like Hitler, except without all the conquest and murdering."
I'm guessing they blame the Jews.
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Re: The Right-Wing Rot at the Heart of the German State

Post by ed » Wed Oct 03, 2018 3:56 pm

gnome wrote:
Wed Oct 03, 2018 1:06 pm
ed wrote:
Wed Oct 03, 2018 11:43 am
setting the stage for European war/violence by immigration policies that can only inflame the citizens of their respective countries.
I acknowledge that immigration policies have consequences and you can set up ones that are terrible folly. But I've got serious trouble with this line of reasoning.

Was it so long ago in the US, that racial integration policies "set the stage" for violence by inflaming segregationists in their respective states?

This is not a made up or trivial concern--I get it--but would we have been better off appeasing segregationists? I argue not.
Thats a stretch I think.
Remember that the integration issue was against the backdrop of many white americans serving in the military with blacks after the services were intrated in 45 I think. Also black americans were americans.

In germany and other places, distinctly foreign people are being dropped into an alien culture. The elites have a plan I suppose but to the degree that it is contrary to the will of the people is the degree to which you will see a reaction.
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Post by ed » Wed Oct 03, 2018 3:57 pm

Abdul Alhazred wrote:
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gnome wrote:
Wed Oct 03, 2018 2:41 pm
That flies well. "We're like Hitler, except without all the conquest and murdering."
I'm guessing they blame the Jews.
That is the european thing to do, no?
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Post by ed » Wed Oct 03, 2018 3:58 pm

Doctor X wrote:
Wed Oct 03, 2018 2:42 pm
They will keep out the Wetbacks, though, right?

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Post by Giz » Wed Oct 03, 2018 5:34 pm

ed wrote:
Wed Oct 03, 2018 3:56 pm
.

In germany and other places, distinctly foreign people are being dropped into an alien culture. The elites have a plan I suppose but to the degree that it is contrary to the will of the people is the degree to which you will see a reaction.
The elites plan:

- step 1 -
Appear progressive

- step 2 -
Hope it all works out

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Re: The Right-Wing Rot at the Heart of the German State

Post by Abdul Alhazred » Wed Oct 03, 2018 5:40 pm

Giz wrote:
Wed Oct 03, 2018 5:34 pm
The elites plan:

- step 1 -
Appear progressive

...
- step 2 -
Crush the proletariat


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Post by Giz » Wed Oct 03, 2018 5:43 pm

Crush? I think “replace”?

As the philosopher said:

Would it not be easier
In that case for the government
To dissolve the people
And elect another?

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Post by Abdul Alhazred » Wed Oct 03, 2018 5:54 pm

Berthold Brecht, to be exact.

Nope. Crush.
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