If the Republicans Win Tuesday, the Reason Will Be Simple: They Cheated

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If the Republicans Win Tuesday, the Reason Will Be Simple: They Cheated

Post by Abdul Alhazred » Mon Nov 05, 2018 3:16 pm

Long thread over by Democratic Underground.
It's not merely their certainty that Republicans are all fools and scoundrels.
The possibility of the Democratic Party fucking up is not even considered.

If the Republicans Win Tuesday, the Reason Will Be Simple: They Cheated
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100211365430

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There is no reason for Democrats to ever lose an election, but it happens all the time because people can't be bothered to protect the interests of 99% of Americans by voting on Election Day.
A blue tsunami is coming being pushed by karma.

Stop putting negativity into the universe. When we win by huge margins tomorrow we can begin to fix the broken voting systems.

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When you vote, as Jill Winebank said, don't vote straight party ticket. Vote for each Democrat one by one and then review your ballot to see if any votes were flipped.

The tsunami is going to be so huge that it will overcome the rigged system, have faith people. Do you hear the wave? It's coming.
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Re: If the Republicans Win Tuesday, the Reason Will Be Simple: They Cheated

Post by corplinx » Mon Nov 05, 2018 5:31 pm

They already gave up on taking the Senate so they've admitted there is no Tsunami.

I guess the predictable mid-term flip of the house will be the goalpost shift.

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Re: If the Republicans Win Tuesday, the Reason Will Be Simple: They Cheated

Post by Anaxagoras » Tue Nov 06, 2018 12:11 am

"Stop putting negativity into the universe"

Sounds like a person who believes in magical thinking. Just believe really hard and your wish will come true. Don't entertain any doubts because doubts "put negative energy into the universe".

I guess they've already chosen their narrative to explain why there wasn't a blue wave 🌊
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Re: If the Republicans Win Tuesday, the Reason Will Be Simple: They Cheated

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Re: If the Republicans Win Tuesday, the Reason Will Be Simple: They Cheated

Post by Pyrrho » Sat Nov 10, 2018 3:36 pm

Today it is Republicans who are making claims of cheating while votes are still being counted.
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Re: If the Republicans Win Tuesday, the Reason Will Be Simple: They Cheated

Post by corplinx » Sat Nov 10, 2018 4:13 pm

Pyrrho wrote:
Sat Nov 10, 2018 3:36 pm
Today it is Republicans who are making claims of cheating while votes are still being counted.
For good reason....

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Re: If the Republicans Win Tuesday, the Reason Will Be Simple: They Cheated

Post by Pyrrho » Sat Nov 10, 2018 4:33 pm

Meanwhile, Democrats are claiming that ballot design caused "undervotes" in Broward County. Meh. Try reading and voting more carefully next time. Ballots are designed for machines to read and tally the votes. It is not an insurmountable task to vote even if a ballot isn't "user friendly", or in this case, "idiot friendly."

I voted via mail-in ballot. I marked the wrong candidate on my first try. Requested and received a new ballot and did it correctly.
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Post by Pyrrho » Sat Nov 10, 2018 4:41 pm

LOL WTF etc. What's next, space aliens ate the votes?

This graph is crap.


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Post by Pyrrho » Sat Nov 10, 2018 4:45 pm

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Re: If the Republicans Win Tuesday, the Reason Will Be Simple: They Cheated

Post by Abdul Alhazred » Sat Nov 10, 2018 5:12 pm

It's not just a question of fingers pointing in both directions making accusations of cheating (it was ever thus).

It's that the current Democratic Party line is that a Republican win is in itself prima facie evidence of cheating.
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Re: If the Republicans Win Tuesday, the Reason Will Be Simple: They Cheated

Post by corplinx » Sat Nov 10, 2018 5:12 pm

Tucker Carlson had a great suggestion. Spend the next 2 years fixing this shit. Every damn time.

Who would oppose that after all? ::cough::

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Re: If the Republicans Win Tuesday, the Reason Will Be Simple: They Cheated

Post by Nyarlathotep » Sat Nov 10, 2018 5:39 pm

I think that the way they did it here in Carson CIty would fix a lot of the problems. It would have been hard to fuck it up so badly here, or to cheat in the ways described.

1) When you checked in a the polling place, you signed an electronic signature pad which matched your signature to the signature they have on file. A few people (Chani included) had to do it several times, because it didn't recognize it, but that was the only real problem I saw with the system.

2) You were then given a paper ballot with nothing on it but a barcode to activate the voting booth when you inserted it.

3) You did your actual voting on the machine. Nice big buttons for each candidate and nothing fancy. Almost impossible to vote for the wrong guy.

4) You were given a chance to review your choices and go back, in case you DID fuck up.

5) Once you approved it, the voting machine printed your choices on the paper ballot you inserted. Both a barcode to make tallying easier and the actual names/question choices. So you have your paper trail if any issues come up.

6) You took the paper ballot over to ANOTHER machine to tally the votes from the barcode and the machine then spit the paper ballot into a receptacle.

It sounds like a lot of steps but I was in and out of the polling station in 10 minutes. This was helped by the fact that there were enough fucking check in stations, polling locations, and machines that there was no real wait time for any step in the process. I like this system (first time it was used around here) because it makes it hard to fuck up your vote and the existence of the paper ballots makes shenanigans more difficult.
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Post by corplinx » Sat Nov 10, 2018 5:45 pm

They also sent a ton of observers to Nevada to prevent shenanigans.

“will deport and jail your family. Trump and Heller hate Mexicans. Vote.” -texts spammed to Nevada voters

If you make it harder to commit fraud, they'll just put hysterical fear into people through lies and dirty tricks instead. These are evil people.

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Post by Nyarlathotep » Sat Nov 10, 2018 5:48 pm

Oh, the election here was nasty as hell. ESPECIALLY the race between Heller and Rosen. I was willing to run a pool for which one would be the first to accuse the other of actual baby eating. Though I never got any text spam as you describe. Just the standard "can we count on you to vote for Joe Blow for Attorney General?" kind of stuff. Still annoying and intrusive though.

But the actual process worked out pretty well and I think could be a good way to prevent problems in the future. I am sure it isn't foolproof, no system is. But I see it addressing a lot of concerns I have heard in other states/counties
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Post by corplinx » Sat Nov 10, 2018 6:06 pm

Pressure from the Bernites who felt the system was rigged?

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Post by Nyarlathotep » Sat Nov 10, 2018 6:23 pm

I dunno. IMO, it might not be true statewide but in Carson City at least, the elections have always run pretty smooth. In my previous job I had some marginal 'behind the scenes' experience with our states election system and our Secretary of State always struck me as pretty conscientious (and I would be hard pressed to tell you her political leanings, without looking it up, which is another point in her favor, IMO)
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Re: If the Republicans Win Tuesday, the Reason Will Be Simple: They Cheated

Post by Pyrrho » Sat Nov 10, 2018 8:04 pm

Recounts for Governor and Senator races have been ordered by Florida Secretary of State.

https://apnews.com/964d157bed7c4a9ab6e1a1a1a4ff8885
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Re: If the Republicans Win Tuesday, the Reason Will Be Simple: They Cheated

Post by Pyrrho » Sat Nov 10, 2018 8:45 pm

@AP
BREAKING: Democrat Andrew Gillum withdraws concession in Florida gubernatorial race after recount ordered.
12:41 PM - 10 Nov 2018
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Re: If the Republicans Win Tuesday, the Reason Will Be Simple: They Cheated

Post by corplinx » Sun Nov 11, 2018 1:24 am

Pyrrho wrote:
Sat Nov 10, 2018 8:45 pm
@AP
BREAKING: Democrat Andrew Gillum withdraws concession in Florida gubernatorial race after recount ordered.
12:41 PM - 10 Nov 2018
:Popcorn:
Makes sense. No sense conceding while the recount is going.