Florida election weirdness redux

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Florida election weirdness redux

Post by gnome » Fri Nov 09, 2018 3:18 pm

Just to keep up on how weird it goes--right now I think there are three major races too close to call.

Tampa Bay Times: Recount, recount, recount: Here’s where Florida is headed
wrote: Adding to the unease, however, is the source of the confusion and delays: Broward County. It's an election office infamous for its controversies and questionable administration going back to the Bush-Gore recount.
They even brought back Broward County for a role in this sequel! Agents for Bob Butterworth and Kathryn Harris said that they declined to appear again.
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Re: Florida election weirdness redux

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Re: Florida election weirdness redux

Post by corplinx » Sun Nov 11, 2018 2:01 am

What nobody wants to say is this:
There is a large discrepancy in the number of votes for Governor versus for Senator in Broward. People suspect but won't say "Snipes is trying to cheat to help Gillum win because he's African American."

In my day, the election riggers tried to equally help everyone on the ticket.

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Re: Florida election weirdness redux

Post by gnome » Sun Nov 11, 2018 4:44 am

There is another possible explanation than malfeasance--and once again it comes down to some ballot design issues.

FiveThirtyEight: Something Looks Weird In Broward County. Here’s What We Know About A Possible Florida Recount.

Have a look at the ballot. It doesn't seem out of line to suppose that lots of people saw a column of instructions on the far left, and started voting one column over. A look at the paper ballots should make it clear if it's a scanning or counting error, or shenanigans, vs an actual (if mistakenly) skipped section.

It would be foolish to erase massive numbers of Senate votes in a blue county as a tampering strategy. If a disproportionate number of ballots with the missing entry also happened to be mostly red in the other selections, well that would be something. Worth waiting for more detail.
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Re: Florida election weirdness redux

Post by WildCat » Sun Nov 11, 2018 5:08 am

gnome wrote:
Sun Nov 11, 2018 4:44 am
There is another possible explanation than malfeasance--and once again it comes down to some ballot design issues.

FiveThirtyEight: Something Looks Weird In Broward County. Here’s What We Know About A Possible Florida Recount.

Have a look at the ballot. It doesn't seem out of line to suppose that lots of people saw a column of instructions on the far left, and started voting one column over. A look at the paper ballots should make it clear if it's a scanning or counting error, or shenanigans, vs an actual (if mistakenly) skipped section.

It would be foolish to erase massive numbers of Senate votes in a blue county as a tampering strategy. If a disproportionate number of ballots with the missing entry also happened to be mostly red in the other selections, well that would be something. Worth waiting for more detail.
Know what else would cause undervotes? Hastily filling out ballots fraudulently in order to affect certain races.
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Re: Florida election weirdness redux

Post by gnome » Sun Nov 11, 2018 5:45 am

Yep. And I'm fine with any investigating that needs to be done.
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Re: Florida election weirdness redux

Post by gnome » Sun Nov 11, 2018 5:46 am

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Pictured: DeSantis and Gillumn considering resolving the election with a thumb war.
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Re: Florida election weirdness redux

Post by Abdul Alhazred » Sun Nov 11, 2018 12:22 pm

But why did they cast that really weird looking white guy to play him in Lord of the Rings?
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Re: Florida election weirdness redux

Post by Abdul Alhazred » Sun Nov 11, 2018 7:25 pm

Amusing coincidence for conspiracy theory enthusiasts to chew on:

Opa-locka Postal Facilty that Allegedly holds Uncounted Ballots, is the SAME Facility that Processed Cesar Sayoc’s Pipe Bombs
https://dcdirtylaundry.com/opa-locka-po ... ipe-bombs/

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Re: Florida election weirdness redux

Post by ed » Sun Nov 11, 2018 9:07 pm

Abdul Alhazred wrote:
Sun Nov 11, 2018 7:25 pm
Amusing coincidence for conspiracy theory enthusiasts to chew on:

Opa-locka Postal Facilty that Allegedly holds Uncounted Ballots, is the SAME Facility that Processed Cesar Sayoc’s Pipes Bombs
https://dcdirtylaundry.com/opa-locka-po ... ipe-bombs/

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Re: Florida election weirdness redux

Post by Grammatron » Mon Nov 12, 2018 8:57 am

Broward County. It's an election office infamous for its controversies and questionable administration going back to the Bush-Gore recount.
That's a polite way to say that the whole place is incompetence at best and continues to fail to do it's job properly, and may even be corrupt; but hey that's just questionable. The same way OJ Simpson is infamous for the controversy and questionable discourse with his wife and waitstaff.

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Re: Florida election weirdness redux

Post by Abdul Alhazred » Mon Nov 12, 2018 1:44 pm

Just remember one thing folks.

Just because they are incompetent doesn't mean it's not a conspiracy. 8)
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Re: Florida election weirdness redux

Post by Witness » Mon Nov 12, 2018 4:47 pm

Broward County's election division is a national disgrace: A history

[…] Broward has long been a national disgrace. Voting is the hallmark of democracy, and Broward, because of the way it has practiced elections for the last two decades, is the picture of incompetence.

This Florida story starts with hanging chads and butterfly ballots and a Supreme Court ruling stopping a recount and ending the presidential election between then-Texas Governor George W. Bush and then-Vice President Al Gore. Heavily Democratic then, as it is now, Broward was 1 of 4 counties where the Gore campaign requested a hand recount of disputed ballots.

The iconic picture of Judge Robert Rosenberg intently studying a punch-card ballot through a magnifying glass defined the fiasco. It unsurprisingly came from Broward. This mess would continue for more than a month, until the Supreme Court mercifully ended it with its decision in Bush v. Gore.

And that episode, which plagued more than just Broward, seems tame compared to what kept coming next. Miriam Oliphant, the City Link paper would note at the time, was “a rising political star” when she was elected Broward County Supervisor of Elections in 2001. Two years later, Oliphant would be walked off of government property by sheriff’s deputies.

Oliphant looked like a reformer at first, the kind of elected official needed to save Broward from more national humiliation. She cleaned house firing staff and setting new standards. Then, she ran over budget by almost a million dollars, placed cronies in key positions, and even hired Glen Davis, a perpetually drunk homeless man, to work the mailroom ahead of the 2002 primaries.

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