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Re: California burning

Post by Witness » Fri Nov 16, 2018 12:11 am

Did the Woolsey fire disturb a nuclear waste site? California says no, and a group of doctors say yes

As the Woolsey fire tore through more than 90,000 acres of Southern California over the weekend, it scorched land at a closed-down lab where the US government and private companies tested nuclear weapons and rocket engines for decades beginning in the 1940s.

The Santa Susana Field Lab (SSFL), in the Simi Hills right on the border of Ventura and Los Angeles counties, is now a federal Superfund site. It was the site of several nuclear accidents, including the worst nuclear meltdown in US history when, in 1959, facility operators intentionally vented nuclear material from the site’s “Sodium Reactor Experiment” to prevent it from overheating and exploding. By the time the leaks were closed, the site had released 459 times more radiation than was leaked during the better-known 1979 meltdown at Three Mile Island.

The lab property, now owned by airplane manufacturer Boeing, stretches for 2,800 acres in the Simi Hills, and remains contaminated with toxic materials. Thousands of people live within two miles of the site, and roughly half a million live within 10 miles, according to an investigation by NBC 4 Los Angeles.
Rest of the story: https://qz.com/1461195/did-the-woosley- ... s-say-yes/

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Re: California burning

Post by Anaxagoras » Fri Nov 16, 2018 2:15 am

"a group of doctors"?
The California Department of Toxic Substances Control said that, as of Friday (Nov. 9), they believed there was nothing to worry about at the Santa Susana site in relation to the Woolsey fire. “Our scientists and toxicologists have reviewed information about the fire’s location and do not believe the fire has caused any releases of hazardous materials that would pose a risk to people exposed to the smoke,” the department said in a statement.

But some physicians disagree.

“We know what substances are on the site and how hazardous they are. We’re talking about incredibly dangerous radionuclides and toxic chemicals such a trichloroethylene, perchlorate, dioxins and heavy metals,” Robert Dodge, a physician and the president of Physicians for Social Responsibility Los Angeles, said in a statement. “These toxic materials are in SSFL’s soil and vegetation, and when it burns and becomes airborne in smoke and ash, there is real possibility of heightened exposure for area residents.”
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Re: California burning

Post by Anaxagoras » Fri Nov 16, 2018 5:24 am

Awful news:

Camp fire death toll climbs to 63; number of missing jumps to 631
The death toll from the devastating Camp fire jumped to 63 on Thursday as search crews recovered seven more bodies in the burn area.

The number of people unaccounted for jumped dramatically to 631 people, up from 130 on Wednesday evening.

Butte County Sheriff Kory Honea told reporters that crews found three bodies in Magalia, three in Paradise and one in Concow. One body in Paradise was found in a car that had been flipped on its side.

The blaze has scorched 141,000 acres and destroyed 11,862 structures. It was 40% contained as of Wednesday evening.

The Camp fire is now by far the worst in California history, destroying an entire town in a matter of hours.

Officials said it could take weeks to complete the search for victims.

Thousands of survivors are without homes and living in shelters and tent cities.
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Re: California burning

Post by Surprise » Fri Nov 16, 2018 10:22 am

ed wrote:
Thu Nov 15, 2018 1:37 pm
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Science says that climate is real.
Yawn.
Climate is real. It also obeys the rules of physics. According to the change in the level of CO2 in the atmosphere there is a change in the energy balance which is affecting the climate.

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Re: California burning

Post by Abdul Alhazred » Fri Nov 16, 2018 1:39 pm

Surprise:

Never mind ed being difficult. :evil:
Pay attention to me being difficult. 8)

I have stipulated you are substantially correct about the science.

Please tell me what is a good solution to the problem and why.
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Re: California burning

Post by ed » Fri Nov 16, 2018 1:58 pm

Ask, while you are at it, where the budget/responsibility for forest management went? It's not like we are simply deterministic pawns in the grand scheme of things.

What happened to forestry in Cali? Those were the guys that "managed" the forests. Where are they now?
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Re: California burning

Post by ed » Fri Nov 16, 2018 2:23 pm

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Re: California burning

Post by ed » Fri Nov 16, 2018 2:25 pm

OK, someone more motivated than I needs to covary out the impact of shitty forest management on the incidence of wildfires.

Then we can talk about climate.
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Re: California burning

Post by WildCat » Fri Nov 16, 2018 11:45 pm

They couldn't come up with a better name than "Camp Fire"?

Way to ruin those childhood memories...
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Re: California burning

Post by Surprise » Sat Nov 17, 2018 6:14 am

Abdul Alhazred wrote:
Fri Nov 16, 2018 1:39 pm
Surprise:

Never mind ed being difficult. :evil:
Pay attention to me being difficult. 8)

I have stipulated you are substantially correct about the science.

Please tell me what is a good solution to the problem and why.
The easiest way is to put a price on CO2. Let the market work out what is the most efficent solution.

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Re: California burning

Post by WildCat » Sat Nov 17, 2018 9:54 am

Surprise wrote:
Sat Nov 17, 2018 6:14 am
Abdul Alhazred wrote:
Fri Nov 16, 2018 1:39 pm
Surprise:

Never mind ed being difficult. :evil:
Pay attention to me being difficult. 8)

I have stipulated you are substantially correct about the science.

Please tell me what is a good solution to the problem and why.
The easiest way is to put a price on CO2. Let the market work out what is the most efficent solution.
That's artificial government market manipulation
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Re: California burning

Post by Anaxagoras » Sat Nov 17, 2018 10:06 am

WildCat wrote:
Sat Nov 17, 2018 9:54 am
Surprise wrote:
Sat Nov 17, 2018 6:14 am
Abdul Alhazred wrote:
Fri Nov 16, 2018 1:39 pm
Surprise:

Never mind ed being difficult. :evil:
Pay attention to me being difficult. 8)

I have stipulated you are substantially correct about the science.

Please tell me what is a good solution to the problem and why.
The easiest way is to put a price on CO2. Let the market work out what is the most efficent solution.
That's artificial government market manipulation
So are tariffs, taxes on cigarettes, etc.

A carbon tax is manipulation for a good purpose.
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Re: California burning

Post by ed » Sat Nov 17, 2018 12:47 pm

What is the good purpose?

Cynical profit taking on a bad thing? Like "sin taxes"?

Seems to me they are just giving permission and taking a cut.
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Re: California burning

Post by Abdul Alhazred » Sat Nov 17, 2018 6:59 pm

If it's really about cutting CO2 emissions and not just politician enrichment, but you still don't mind a lot of tax and spend, the first step is to replace all fossil fuel power plants with nuclear.

Then switch everyone to electric cars while building even more nuclear plants so that the grid is up to keeping everyone's car charged.

Electrify all freight rail while we're at it. It worked OK in the heyday of the Pennsy.
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Re: California burning

Post by Surprise » Sat Nov 17, 2018 10:40 pm

ed wrote:
Sat Nov 17, 2018 12:47 pm
What is the good purpose?

Cynical profit taking on a bad thing? Like "sin taxes"?

Seems to me they are just giving permission and taking a cut.
You can give the taxes back as a tax cut if you really want. It's not about sinning. It's about a rational approach to a dilemma the scientists have discovered.

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Re: California burning

Post by Witness » Sun Nov 18, 2018 12:58 am

The death toll from the "Camp Fire" in Northern California has increased to 71 while authorities try to locate 1,011 people who are unaccounted for. The blaze is now 55 percent contained after consuming more than 148,000 acres.

In Southern California, just outside of Los Angeles, the Woolsey Fire is 82 percent contained after burning 98,362 acres.
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Re: California burning

Post by Grammatron » Sun Nov 18, 2018 10:31 am

:(

Hope this tragedy teaches people to take fire danger seriously and evacuate.
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Re: California burning

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Re: California burning

Post by Abdul Alhazred » Sun Nov 18, 2018 9:00 pm

How about some screwball racist paranoia to liven things up. :)

https://heartiste.wordpress.com/2018/11 ... nt-1052218
I don’t anymoar even think that phenomena like the California wildfires are random.

I think rural California is being allowed to burn to the ground precisely because that’s where the last remaining remnants of White Chr!stian GOP Heritage Amerikkkanz still live.

Once (((they))) get rid of the rural resistance in California, the state can then declare its independence from the USA, and become a full-blown subsidiary of China x Israel x Saudi Arabia.
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