The human cost of no consequences

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The human cost of no consequences

Post by Pyrrho » Mon Nov 19, 2018 12:13 am

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In 2014 an Ohio judge punched his then-wife 20 times and slammed her head against the dashboard of his car five times, breaking her orbital bone in front of their children. He served only 9 months and was subsequently hired by the Mayor of Cleveland. Yesterday he killed her.
https://www.cleveland.com/metro/2018/11 ... s-say.html
Former Cuyahoga Common Pleas Judge Lance Mason, who spent nine months in prison for beating his then-wife in front of their children, is accused of fatally stabbing the woman Saturday morning at her Shaker Heights home, according to three sources.

Mason was arrested on suspicion of murder in connection with the death of his estranged wife, Aisha Fraser Mason, at her home on Chagrin Boulevard near Normandy Road, the sources said.

The house where the stabbing happened is near where police reported that a Shaker Heights police officer was hit by a car fleeing a domestic violence incident. The officer, who was in his cruiser at the time of the crash, was taken to the hospital and his condition was unknown.
After Mason’s release from prison, he was hired by Cleveland Mayor Frank Jackson as a minority business development director. The city said in a statement later in the day Saturday that Jackson fired Mason from his $45,000-per-year job because of his arrest.

"I extend my deepest condolences to the family of Ms. Aisha Fraser, especially to her children,” Jackson said in a statement.
9 months in prison for beating his wife should have been an automatic disqualification for any city job. Not here!
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Re: The human cost of no consequences

Post by sparks » Mon Nov 19, 2018 1:49 am

Fuck.

Well, I dare say he won't be seeing sunlight for a very long time indeed. Damned shame it took murder to get there.
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Re: The human cost of no consequences

Post by Doctor X » Mon Nov 19, 2018 3:28 am

This could have been in the Nyarl was Right thread.

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Re: The human cost of no consequences

Post by Pyrrho » Mon Nov 19, 2018 11:35 am

sparks wrote:
Mon Nov 19, 2018 1:49 am
Fuck.

Well, I dare say he won't be seeing sunlight for a very long time indeed. Damned shame it took murder to get there.
He can still get a city job when he gets out.
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Re: The human cost of no consequences

Post by Pyrrho » Mon Nov 19, 2018 11:36 am

Doctor X wrote:
Mon Nov 19, 2018 3:28 am
This could have been in the Nyarl was Right thread.

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Argggh I knew it belonged somewhere...
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Re: The human cost of no consequences

Post by shuize » Mon Nov 19, 2018 1:59 pm

"a minority business development director"

What the fuck does this even mean?

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Re: The human cost of no consequences

Post by ed » Mon Nov 19, 2018 2:12 pm

Racism, the real kind.
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Re: The human cost of no consequences

Post by Pyrrho » Mon Nov 19, 2018 3:04 pm

shuize wrote:
Mon Nov 19, 2018 1:59 pm
"a minority business development director"

What the fuck does this even mean?
It means he's a good friend of the Mayor, who gave him a patronage job despite his criminal record.
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Re: The human cost of no consequences

Post by WildCat » Mon Nov 19, 2018 3:05 pm

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9 months in prison for beating his wife should have been an automatic disqualification for any city job. Not here!
Reported for racism you Nazi.
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Re: The human cost of no consequences

Post by Abdul Alhazred » Mon Nov 19, 2018 3:10 pm

ed wrote:
Mon Nov 19, 2018 2:12 pm
Racism, the real kind.
Maybe, but I seriously doubt they had some qualified white guy all lined up for it who is now bitching about being passed over. And without that, no case.
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Re: The human cost of no consequences

Post by WildCat » Mon Nov 19, 2018 4:17 pm

Abdul Alhazred wrote:
Mon Nov 19, 2018 3:10 pm
ed wrote:
Mon Nov 19, 2018 2:12 pm
Racism, the real kind.
Maybe, but I seriously doubt they had some qualified white guy all lined up for it who is now bitching about being passed over. And without that, no case.
You really think qualifications was a factor?
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Re: The human cost of no consequences

Post by Abdul Alhazred » Mon Nov 19, 2018 4:32 pm

WildCat wrote:
Mon Nov 19, 2018 4:17 pm
Abdul Alhazred wrote:
Mon Nov 19, 2018 3:10 pm
ed wrote:
Mon Nov 19, 2018 2:12 pm
Racism, the real kind.
Maybe, but I seriously doubt they had some qualified white guy all lined up for it who is now bitching about being passed over. And without that, no case.
You really think qualifications was a factor?
Of course not.

Just refuting ed a little bit.
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Re: The human cost of no consequences

Post by Pyrrho » Mon Nov 19, 2018 9:31 pm

Mayor is defending his decision to hire a convicted wife beater. "He applied and was accepted." Also talked about how the city gives convicts a second chance, etc.
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Re: The human cost of no consequences

Post by Anaxagoras » Tue Nov 20, 2018 1:49 am

In hindsight, giving this individual a job looks bad, but I doubt it helped him to kill his ex wife. He probably would have done that anyway.

As a general matter, if ex convicts are to be reintegrated into society, they need some kind of employment from somebody. Obviously in this case, he blew his second chance, and should not recieve any more chances.
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Re: The human cost of no consequences

Post by WildCat » Tue Nov 20, 2018 4:01 am

Anaxagoras wrote:
Tue Nov 20, 2018 1:49 am
In hindsight, giving this individual a job looks bad, but I doubt it helped him to kill his ex wife. He probably would have done that anyway.

As a general matter, if ex convicts are to be reintegrated into society, they need some kind of employment from somebody. Obviously in this case, he blew his second chance, and should not recieve any more chances.
A second chance should be flipping burgers at some greasy spoon, not a 6 figure government job with a pension.
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Re: The human cost of no consequences

Post by Anaxagoras » Tue Nov 20, 2018 4:14 am

WildCat wrote:
Tue Nov 20, 2018 4:01 am
Anaxagoras wrote:
Tue Nov 20, 2018 1:49 am
In hindsight, giving this individual a job looks bad, but I doubt it helped him to kill his ex wife. He probably would have done that anyway.

As a general matter, if ex convicts are to be reintegrated into society, they need some kind of employment from somebody. Obviously in this case, he blew his second chance, and should not recieve any more chances.
A second chance should be flipping burgers at some greasy spoon, not a 6 figure government job with a pension.
Well, according to the OP it was a 5 figure job.
After Mason’s release from prison, he was hired by Cleveland Mayor Frank Jackson as a minority business development director. The city said in a statement later in the day Saturday that Jackson fired Mason from his $45,000-per-year job because of his arrest.
One does wonder exactly what a "minority business development director" does all day from 9 to 5 and whether he has any concrete goals to meet or work to complete on a daily basis. Depending on how demanding the job is, $45,000 per year could be a fairly normal middle class salary, or perhaps money for who knows what. With jobs like this, it's hard to tell exactly what the public benefit is.
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Re: The human cost of no consequences

Post by Abdul Alhazred » Tue Nov 20, 2018 10:24 am

It's pure patronage and influence peddling.

And someone in that position does not live on salary alone.
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Re: The human cost of no consequences

Post by Witness » Wed Nov 21, 2018 12:43 am

Somehow the thread's title made me think of education in general. How quaint… :mrgreen: