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Re: I think Seagate might suck

Postby Doctor X » Sat Mar 28, 2015 11:40 am

Only if you send me your stereo.

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Re: I think Seagate might suck

Postby Rob Lister » Sat Mar 28, 2015 11:47 am

asthmatic camel wrote:Fuck.

I just tried to use my Seagate drive and no can do with USB3 ports.

Works fine with USB2 tho' so not sure if it's a mobo problem, the first effort failed.

Time for Doc to send me an apple. :(


They're getting a bad name of late but what they're doing with track shingling is pretty fucking impressive. They're selling 5TB USB drives for less than $130. They only warranty them for a year though. Still there are a lot of folks buying them and ripping them out of their enclosures and installing them as NAS raid drives. That voids the useless warranty of course. https://www.google.com/search?q=seagate ... eagate+5Tb

On the flip side, Intel and Micro just announced production of their 3D Nand technology so soon you'll be seeing 10TB SSD's. Price is TBD. Other factors like longevity and reliability are yet to be determined. I won't be the guinea pig but it makes me pause before investing in this: https://www.google.com/search?q=synolog ... 8&oe=utf-8

So today I will go a little cheaper with this: http://www.bestbuy.com/site/wd-my-cloud ... Id=9024009

Yea, the same price but the former is the price of the enclosure only: disks not included. My delima is that the former is also far more robust and configurable, doesn't lock me any to any particular type of drive, and can easily grow with me (as if I can still really grow).

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Re: I think Seagate might suck

Postby asthmatic camel » Sat Mar 28, 2015 12:07 pm

Doctor X wrote:Only if you send me your stereo.

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I have five and rarely listen to any of them because they are all contaminated by the Dr. Matt virus. Which do you want?
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Re: I think Seagate might suck

Postby Doctor X » Sat Mar 28, 2015 6:58 pm

Eh . . . so none can actually play music now?

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Re: I think Seagate might suck

Postby asthmatic camel » Sat Mar 28, 2015 9:19 pm

They can if you consider Dr. Matt's stuff to be music.

Best listened to with a healthy dose of illegal substances. :D
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Re: I think Seagate might suck

Postby Doctor X » Sat Mar 28, 2015 9:29 pm

Ι ςιλλ damn! Forgot to change the keyboard again . . . I will stick to Ban Tomiko at the present. She has a sense of rhythm. . . .

Funny, my LAST DISASTER came from when I decided to fuck with my Seagate Image 4 TB Ex-HD. This has been fine. I just decided to clean up a bit and used a program which fucked its volume beyond repair. Image

"This is why we have back-ups" though the contents of that is lots of data like music/movies I have permanent back-ups like the original 8-tracks and the porn star chained up in the cellar.

So I turned to an older back up--I forget the brand but it was over 5 years old. The partition for my Internal HD backups--you can never have too many!--was fine but the "data" partition was FUCKED. I mean even the higher standard recovery programs warned, "Dude, if we like mount this, Peyton Manning wins another Super Bowl!"

No one wants that.

I have yet an older back up. It was bought WAY back with my older Mac. Originally two 500 GB disks! THAT IS LIKE 1 TB! Image When one died a LONG time ago I replaced it with a 750 GB for LIKE MOAR THAN 1TB!!11!!

We are talking over ten years ago. It is two hard discs in a happy at-the-time lockable steel inclosure. Because a thief should not be able to shoot it! He will just . . . take it off your desk and break the lock with a screwdriver. But the point remains!

Still humming along. Both the Japanese Original 500 GB and the younger-by-a-year 750 GB.

And if I can find the key . . . I will tell you the brand. Image

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Re: I think Seagate might suck

Postby Rob Lister » Sat Mar 28, 2015 9:36 pm

So I bought it, installed it, mapped it, configured it, and have been burning it in for the last 5 hours from three different computers while streaming movies to the TV. Around hour 2~3 it started encountering network errors; "Cannot connect to W://.... Okay, so since it is new device on the network I didn't panic. Rebooted all and for the last 2 hours there have been no more errors. It is slower than the Seagate by about 20% on reads and 40% on writes. I'll attribute that to the raid1 configuration but it is a pure guess.

It is possible that Western Digital sucks more. I have 14 days to return it.

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Re: I think Seagate might suck

Postby asthmatic camel » Sat Mar 28, 2015 10:38 pm

Was it a lack of knob cheese error found at ronjeremy?
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Re: I think Seagate might suck

Postby WildCat » Sun Mar 29, 2015 2:20 am

I always het the WD black, 5 year warranty.
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Re: I think Seagate might suck

Postby Rob Lister » Sun Mar 29, 2015 11:25 am

I'm soul searching here. Should I return it or not? I got only one other error again late yesterday during testing. But I was getting very slow response time from the drive when uploading or downloading files. Googling the issue I find other users (all new) with the same issue. WD support forums advise that I should expect this because the drive is new and is indexing. I didn't have this issue with Seagate. The user interface for this NAS is about 100 times better than what Seagate had. The error logs don't reveal any real issues (Seagate didn't have error logs or even SMART capability).

What to do, what to do?

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Re: I think Seagate might suck

Postby Doctor X » Sun Mar 29, 2015 9:21 pm

Buy a Mac.

No . . . wait . . . wrong thread. . . .

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Re: I think Seagate might suck

Postby corplinx » Mon Mar 30, 2015 1:53 am

Rob Lister wrote:I'm soul searching here. Should I return it or not? I got only one other error again late yesterday during testing. But I was getting very slow response time from the drive when uploading or downloading files. Googling the issue I find other users (all new) with the same issue. WD support forums advise that I should expect this because the drive is new and is indexing. I didn't have this issue with Seagate. The user interface for this NAS is about 100 times better than what Seagate had. The error logs don't reveal any real issues (Seagate didn't have error logs or even SMART capability).

What to do, what to do?


New and indexing sounds like rubbish. I assume this is doing a simple raid mirror which is a pretty much zero write penalty operation.

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Re: I think Seagate might suck

Postby Rob Lister » Mon Mar 30, 2015 11:56 am

corplinx wrote:
Rob Lister wrote:I'm soul searching here. Should I return it or not? I got only one other error again late yesterday during testing. But I was getting very slow response time from the drive when uploading or downloading files. Googling the issue I find other users (all new) with the same issue. WD support forums advise that I should expect this because the drive is new and is indexing. I didn't have this issue with Seagate. The user interface for this NAS is about 100 times better than what Seagate had. The error logs don't reveal any real issues (Seagate didn't have error logs or even SMART capability).

What to do, what to do?


New and indexing sounds like rubbish. I assume this is doing a simple raid mirror which is a pretty much zero write penalty operation.


I'm not very up on this stuff but yea, it does seem like bullshit. It wasn't the WD Team that addressed that issue, just other users. The lack of google hits indicates it is not a common problem. Another tech forum indicated it might be a problem with the QOS setting in my router. ?? I don't want to start going down rabbit holes. There are errors in the error logs and they might be related but I don't know how to interrupt them, and nowhere in the book does it give explanations. One such error is (from my memory) "Authentication from user [Main] has failed" where main is the computer name from which I was transferring.



I might contact them today.

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Re: I think Seagate might suck

Postby Rob Lister » Sat Jun 20, 2015 9:35 pm

An update to the Seagate Travesty. Now 80% of the Seagate drives installed during that period have failed.

https://www.backblaze.com/blog/3tb-hard-drive-failure/

Backblaze thinks it was due to thailand's floods of 2011-12.

https://www.backblaze.com/blog/backblaze_drive_farming/

It is an interesting theory. Backblaze continues to like Seagate, despite this issue. I hope they were compensated in some way.

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Re: I think Seagate might suck

Postby asthmatic camel » Fri Oct 13, 2017 2:39 pm

Postby asthmatic camel » Sat Mar 28, 2015 11:15 am
Fuck.

I just tried to use my Seagate drive and no can do with USB3 ports.

Works fine with USB2 tho' so not sure if it's a mobo problem, the first effort failed.

Time for Doc to send me an apple. :(


Well, it somehow fixed itself and worked with USB3 until a couple of weeks ago, when it started playing up again so I grabbed all the data and stashed it elsewhere. Now, it completely refuses to work with USB3 but is fine with USB2. Needless to say, I'm not relying on it for anything remotely important. So, it's kinda/sorta lasted four years.

I won't be buying another.
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Re: I think Seagate might suck

Postby ed » Fri Oct 13, 2017 2:54 pm

Did you try putting it in the freezer?
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Re: I think Seagate might suck

Postby asthmatic camel » Sat Oct 14, 2017 2:40 am

I might try that when it packs up completely.

If that doesn't work, I'll try putting it in the microwave...
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