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Motion Smoothing

Post by Rob Lister » Wed Dec 05, 2018 12:15 pm

Tom Cruise stars in impassioned PSA against motion smoothing

Alongside outspoke motion smoothing critic, Christopher McQuarrie
https://www.theverge.com/2018/12/4/1812 ... -mcquarrie

First, let's get past Tom Cruise. Blind squirrel rule applies.

This is otherwise known as the Soap Opera Effect. Others call it liquid diarrhea. A food analogy is whipping your mashed potatoes for too damn long giving them the consistency of peanut butter.

TV's tend to come with this feature enabled by default. Mine did. It took weeks to find the settings that turns it off. Settings because depending on what mode you're in, it will try to turn itself back on.

OTOH, my kids actually like that mode. Either way, I'm not 'impassioned' about it.

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Re: Motion Smoothing

Post by Witness » Wed Dec 05, 2018 2:49 pm

Relentless putting filters between the world and us.

Reality is a scary place – we need safe spaces.

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Re: Motion Smoothing

Post by Anaxagoras » Wed Dec 05, 2018 3:23 pm

"Liquid diarrhea"

Is there any other kind? :notsure:
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Re: Motion Smoothing

Post by Grammatron » Wed Dec 05, 2018 8:57 pm

Witness wrote:
Wed Dec 05, 2018 2:49 pm
Relentless putting filters between the world and us.

Reality is a scary place – we need safe spaces.
I hate motion smoothing too but film grain is a filter in and of itself.

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Re: Motion Smoothing

Post by Witness » Thu Dec 06, 2018 12:09 am

Grammatron wrote:
Wed Dec 05, 2018 8:57 pm
I hate motion smoothing too but film grain is a filter in and of itself.
Indeed, as is already cropping the scene to get it into the picture.

Yet I think there are varying degrees of dishonesty.

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Re: Motion Smoothing

Post by Anaxagoras » Thu Dec 06, 2018 1:23 am

I don't know whether it's "dishonesty" so much as what kind of look was the artist going for. They want it to look a certain way, which seems fine to me. That's what art is after all. Look at impressionist paintings or cubists or Van Gogh, or any artist really, whether they are going for something hyper-realist or something more abstract or impressionistic or classical or traditional or the anime style or the ukiyo-e style, or whatever. It's all looking at the world through a certain filter.
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Re: Motion Smoothing

Post by gnome » Thu Dec 06, 2018 2:52 am

It's mentioned it makes it "look like high speed video"... what is that, objectively, and why is it undesirable?
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Re: Motion Smoothing

Post by gnome » Thu Dec 06, 2018 2:57 am

I say that because I think I have it turned on and I'm pretty sure I am OK with it.
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Re: Motion Smoothing

Post by Anaxagoras » Thu Dec 06, 2018 3:25 am

I think they mean high frame rate. Traditionally films had a frame rate of 24 frames/second. I guess we got used to that, so that when your brain is trained to expect that, it looks strange when you see something filmed at a higher frame rate.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_frame_rate
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Re: Motion Smoothing

Post by gnome » Thu Dec 06, 2018 3:48 am

To me it looks like the television is a window instead of a screen, like I could just reach in.
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Re: Motion Smoothing

Post by Abdul Alhazred » Thu Dec 06, 2018 2:02 pm

It's an aesthetic opinion with no one true answer, like "colorizing".

viz. The Third Man colorized would be awful, but Oregon Trail with Ronald Reagan does just fine.

No I don't mean remakes with black people, dammit! :evil:
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Re: Motion Smoothing

Post by Grammatron » Thu Dec 06, 2018 6:56 pm

Anaxagoras wrote:
Thu Dec 06, 2018 1:23 am
I don't know whether it's "dishonesty" so much as what kind of look was the artist going for. They want it to look a certain way, which seems fine to me. That's what art is after all. Look at impressionist paintings or cubists or Van Gogh, or any artist really, whether they are going for something hyper-realist or something more abstract or impressionistic or classical or traditional or the anime style or the ukiyo-e style, or whatever. It's all looking at the world through a certain filter.
But if you want to go down that road, then these kind of films can only be enjoyed in a movie theater. They were not meant for home TV regardless of filters present or absent.

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Post by Abdul Alhazred » Thu Dec 06, 2018 7:06 pm

And 2001 A Space Odyssey must be seen in Cinerama. :cry:
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Re: Motion Smoothing

Post by Doctor X » Fri Dec 07, 2018 12:00 pm

The complaints read like those who are upset color and sound were added to film.

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Re: Motion Smoothing

Post by Witness » Sat Dec 08, 2018 2:20 am

↑ The difference seems very slight, at best. Is it more evident on a big screen?