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Most depressing song ever

Post by gnome » Tue Jul 19, 2011 5:11 pm

Nominations here. Perhaps poll to come, if someone feels industrious enough.
"If fighting is sure to result in victory, then you must fight! Sun Tzu said that, and I'd say he knows a little bit more about fighting than you do, pal, because he invented it, and then he perfected it so that no living man could best him in the ring of honor. Then, he used his fight money to buy two of every animal on earth, and then he herded them onto a boat, and then he beat the crap out of every single one. And from that day forward any time a bunch of animals are together in one place it's called a zoo! (Beat) Unless it's a farm!"
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Re: Most depressing song ever

Post by LizardPeople » Tue Jul 19, 2011 5:13 pm

Fleetwood Mac's "Man of the World".
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Re: Most depressing song ever

Post by LizardPeople » Tue Jul 19, 2011 5:19 pm

Fleetwood Mac's "Why".

Sensing a theme here :)
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Re: Most depressing song ever

Post by Abdul Alhazred » Tue Jul 19, 2011 5:34 pm

Imagine by John Lennon. :|
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Re: Most depressing song ever

Post by gnome » Tue Jul 19, 2011 5:36 pm

Alan Parsons Project, "Since The Last Goodbye"

"If fighting is sure to result in victory, then you must fight! Sun Tzu said that, and I'd say he knows a little bit more about fighting than you do, pal, because he invented it, and then he perfected it so that no living man could best him in the ring of honor. Then, he used his fight money to buy two of every animal on earth, and then he herded them onto a boat, and then he beat the crap out of every single one. And from that day forward any time a bunch of animals are together in one place it's called a zoo! (Beat) Unless it's a farm!"
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Re: Most depressing song ever

Post by Cool Hand » Tue Jul 19, 2011 6:26 pm

Harry Chapin's Cat's In the Cradle (live version with Harry introducing it in his terrific, humble way -- he was a great songwriter and overall nice guy):

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And you run and you run to catch up with the sun but it's sinking
Racing around to come up behind you again
The sun is the same in a relative way, but you're older
Shorter of breath and one day closer to death.

"Time" -- Pink Floyd

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Re: Most depressing song ever

Post by gnome » Tue Jul 19, 2011 6:38 pm

It would be, but then I just think of Homer Simpson sobbing the lyrics to "Yes, we have no bananas" right afterwards.
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Re: Most depressing song ever

Post by gnome » Tue Jul 19, 2011 6:40 pm

An interesting question though--shall we disqualify the bittersweet? Songs that have really depressing lyrics but don't leave you depressed because of the arrangement.

"Fire and Rain" comes to mind as an example.
"If fighting is sure to result in victory, then you must fight! Sun Tzu said that, and I'd say he knows a little bit more about fighting than you do, pal, because he invented it, and then he perfected it so that no living man could best him in the ring of honor. Then, he used his fight money to buy two of every animal on earth, and then he herded them onto a boat, and then he beat the crap out of every single one. And from that day forward any time a bunch of animals are together in one place it's called a zoo! (Beat) Unless it's a farm!"
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Re: Most depressing song ever

Post by Abdul Alhazred » Tue Jul 19, 2011 6:50 pm

What about songs that are nominally depressing but really provoke mirth?

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Re: Most depressing song ever

Post by Abdul Alhazred » Tue Jul 19, 2011 6:52 pm

Or that provoke mirth unintentionally?

... Sergeant O'Leary is walkin' the beat
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Re: Most depressing song ever

Post by Cool Hand » Tue Jul 19, 2011 6:55 pm

gnome wrote:It would be, but then I just think of Homer Simpson sobbing the lyrics to "Yes, we have no bananas" right afterwards.
:D

Well, if you were already very familiar with the song and its meaning before The Simpsons, I would think the feelings it evoked before you saw that episode would persist. They do for me, even though I laughed like hell at that moment. I can't think of or hear the song without getting a lump in my throat. It's got a really universal message that cuts right to the bone for all sons and fathers. I wouldn't call it bittersweet. It's scary (as Harry says) and depressing, you know, 'cause it's true for so many of us. That's exactly what my relationship with my dad was like, from both perspectives.

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And you run and you run to catch up with the sun but it's sinking
Racing around to come up behind you again
The sun is the same in a relative way, but you're older
Shorter of breath and one day closer to death.

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Re: Most depressing song ever

Post by Cool Hand » Tue Jul 19, 2011 6:57 pm

gnome wrote:An interesting question though--shall we disqualify the bittersweet? Songs that have really depressing lyrics but don't leave you depressed because of the arrangement.

"Fire and Rain" comes to mind as an example.
Are you asking, "Should we consider only the music and the overall tone of it, rather than taking into account the lyrics and what they mean?"

If so, it's a very different question. Personally, I can't divorce the lyrics from the song, provided I can understand them.

CH

EDIT: Actually, that brings up an interesting perspective. Some songs' lyrics don't match the tone evoked by the melody and harmony at all. Steely Dan's music is famous for this. They can put really sinister tales of depravity and debauchery together with really snappy, cool, fun music, and casual fans don't even notice. If you listen to the lyrics, however, their stories are sometimes about sick, twisted behavior, like adults seducing or molesting young teenagers after introducing them to porn, e.g., ("Everyone's Gone to the Movies" -- this was in 1975, long before the internet did that).
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The sun is the same in a relative way, but you're older
Shorter of breath and one day closer to death.

"Time" -- Pink Floyd

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Re: Most depressing song ever

Post by gnome » Tue Jul 19, 2011 7:08 pm

I think I'm looking for the overall experience of the song and the mood it generates.

If it's creepy or depressing on close examination, but has an upbeat musical tone, perhaps not a contender.

Hell, I dunno. Forget deciding which is the worst, and just drop in ones that seem relevant.

Someone will announce a "win" at some point.
"If fighting is sure to result in victory, then you must fight! Sun Tzu said that, and I'd say he knows a little bit more about fighting than you do, pal, because he invented it, and then he perfected it so that no living man could best him in the ring of honor. Then, he used his fight money to buy two of every animal on earth, and then he herded them onto a boat, and then he beat the crap out of every single one. And from that day forward any time a bunch of animals are together in one place it's called a zoo! (Beat) Unless it's a farm!"
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Re: Most depressing song ever

Post by LizardPeople » Tue Jul 19, 2011 7:27 pm

I announce a win.
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Re: Most depressing song ever

Post by gnome » Tue Jul 19, 2011 7:31 pm

Can someone find me an animated GIF of the knight smacking someone with a rubber chicken?
"If fighting is sure to result in victory, then you must fight! Sun Tzu said that, and I'd say he knows a little bit more about fighting than you do, pal, because he invented it, and then he perfected it so that no living man could best him in the ring of honor. Then, he used his fight money to buy two of every animal on earth, and then he herded them onto a boat, and then he beat the crap out of every single one. And from that day forward any time a bunch of animals are together in one place it's called a zoo! (Beat) Unless it's a farm!"
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Re: Most depressing song ever

Post by gnome » Tue Jul 19, 2011 7:32 pm

Cool Hand wrote:
gnome wrote:It would be, but then I just think of Homer Simpson sobbing the lyrics to "Yes, we have no bananas" right afterwards.
:D

Well, if you were already very familiar with the song and its meaning before The Simpsons, I would think the feelings it evoked before you saw that episode would persist. They do for me, even though I laughed like hell at that moment. I can't think of or hear the song without getting a lump in my throat. It's got a really universal message that cuts right to the bone for all sons and fathers. I wouldn't call it bittersweet. It's scary (as Harry says) and depressing, you know, 'cause it's true for so many of us. That's exactly what my relationship with my dad was like, from both perspectives.

CH
I can only partly identify with it, having received a stepson half-grown. But enough that I understand the mood it can generate, Homer notwithstanding.
"If fighting is sure to result in victory, then you must fight! Sun Tzu said that, and I'd say he knows a little bit more about fighting than you do, pal, because he invented it, and then he perfected it so that no living man could best him in the ring of honor. Then, he used his fight money to buy two of every animal on earth, and then he herded them onto a boat, and then he beat the crap out of every single one. And from that day forward any time a bunch of animals are together in one place it's called a zoo! (Beat) Unless it's a farm!"
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Re: Most depressing song ever

Post by DrMatt » Tue Jul 19, 2011 7:41 pm

You heard about the ram who committed suicide?
He'd just heard the song "There will never be another ewe."
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Re: Most depressing song ever

Post by Cool Hand » Tue Jul 19, 2011 7:55 pm

gnome wrote: I can only partly identify with it, having received a stepson half-grown. But enough that I understand the mood it can generate, Homer notwithstanding.
You're a son yourself, no? There's a message on both sides of the fence, despite Harry's and his wife's writing it around the time their son was born. I'm not a father, but I am a son.

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The sun is the same in a relative way, but you're older
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Re: Most depressing song ever

Post by gnome » Tue Jul 19, 2011 8:22 pm

Cool Hand wrote:
gnome wrote: I can only partly identify with it, having received a stepson half-grown. But enough that I understand the mood it can generate, Homer notwithstanding.
You're a son yourself, no? There's a message on both sides of the fence, despite Harry's and his wife's writing it around the time their son was born. I'm not a father, but I am a son.

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Once in a while I see that side of it, considering myself as a grown son... but I don't know what to say, it just doesn't quite hit me personally. There is surely a story that describes me and my father, this one just isn't it.
"If fighting is sure to result in victory, then you must fight! Sun Tzu said that, and I'd say he knows a little bit more about fighting than you do, pal, because he invented it, and then he perfected it so that no living man could best him in the ring of honor. Then, he used his fight money to buy two of every animal on earth, and then he herded them onto a boat, and then he beat the crap out of every single one. And from that day forward any time a bunch of animals are together in one place it's called a zoo! (Beat) Unless it's a farm!"
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Re: Most depressing song ever

Post by grayman » Tue Jul 19, 2011 9:37 pm

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