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Re: Black Mirror

Post by Anaxagoras » Sat Jan 17, 2015 4:54 pm

I finally got through the first season and just watched s2e1.

s2e1 is my favorite so far. Good and creepy.

I found it hard to believe the world in s1e2 could exist in the first place. What sort of conditions would lead to that sort of world I wonder? Have they completely run out of ways to generate energy besides pedaling bicycles? Probably my least favorite of all.
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Re: Black Mirror

Post by Grammatron » Mon Jan 19, 2015 8:03 am

Anaxagoras wrote:I finally got through the first season and just watched s2e1.

s2e1 is my favorite so far. Good and creepy.

I found it hard to believe the world in s1e2 could exist in the first place. What sort of conditions would lead to that sort of world I wonder? Have they completely run out of ways to generate energy besides pedaling bicycles? Probably my least favorite of all.


You are over thinking this, I know because I had the same problem.
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Re: Black Mirror

Post by no one in particular » Mon Jan 19, 2015 3:23 pm

Grammatron wrote:
Anaxagoras wrote:I finally got through the first season and just watched s2e1.

s2e1 is my favorite so far. Good and creepy.

I found it hard to believe the world in s1e2 could exist in the first place. What sort of conditions would lead to that sort of world I wonder? Have they completely run out of ways to generate energy besides pedaling bicycles? Probably my least favorite of all.


You are over thinking this, I know because I had the same problem.


Agreed. I do think all the other episodes are meant to be taken as literal future extrapolations of our current condition.

But I think this particular episode is total allegory, albeit with the meaning not so hidden. We are all already the workers pedaling the bicycle, and buying meaningless shit. If any of us do happen to have a special talent, or happen to work hard enough to achieve anything whatsoever above our current station, then we're just waiting for our moment to sell out our ideas for the a chance at the next level excess, which in of itself is illusion.

In my view this episode was simply a heavy handed commentary on consumerism. Note that the workers (the peddalers) didn't really have anything of value. Like folks who shop at Walmart or Ikea.
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Re: Black Mirror

Post by ed » Mon Jan 19, 2015 3:26 pm

anti consumerists complain about purchasing of "meaningless shit". Fair enough. But then what is "meaningful shit"?
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Re: Black Mirror

Post by no one in particular » Mon Jan 19, 2015 3:29 pm

ed wrote:anti consumerists complain about purchasing of "meaningless shit". Fair enough. But then what is "meaningful shit"?


Yup. Hippies. I'm off to Walmart right now.
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Re: Black Mirror

Post by Anaxagoras » Mon Jan 19, 2015 3:37 pm

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Re: Black Mirror

Post by ed » Mon Jan 19, 2015 3:45 pm

Seriously. People bemoan "the consumer society". What is the alternative? Buying boiled potatoes in Red Square in 1968?
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Re: Black Mirror

Post by Anaxagoras » Mon Jan 19, 2015 4:48 pm

ed wrote:Seriously. People bemoan "the consumer society". What is the alternative? Buying boiled potatoes in Red Square in 1968?


Only people who are relatively comfortable from a material standpoint can afford to be snobbish about "materialism" or "consumerism".

I suppose you could go live in the woods like Thoreau or something like that, as an alternative.
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Re: Black Mirror

Post by ed » Mon Jan 19, 2015 5:02 pm

Anaxagoras wrote:
ed wrote:Seriously. People bemoan "the consumer society". What is the alternative? Buying boiled potatoes in Red Square in 1968?


Only people who are relatively comfortable from a material standpoint can afford to be snobbish about "materialism" or "consumerism".

I suppose you could go live in the woods like Thoreau or something like that, as an alternative.


"Poor" people in the USA live better than humans heve for the past 1000 years. Shit, who was the last person you heard of that died from whooping cough?
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Re: Black Mirror

Post by no one in particular » Mon Jan 19, 2015 5:15 pm

ed wrote:
Anaxagoras wrote:
ed wrote:Seriously. People bemoan "the consumer society". What is the alternative? Buying boiled potatoes in Red Square in 1968?


Only people who are relatively comfortable from a material standpoint can afford to be snobbish about "materialism" or "consumerism".

I suppose you could go live in the woods like Thoreau or something like that, as an alternative.


"Poor" people in the USA live better than humans heve for the past 1000 years. Shit, who was the last person you heard of that died from whooping cough?


Ed, I'll be surprised if you find many disagreements here.

I'm more interested to see if all agree with my interpretation of the episode in question.
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Re: Black Mirror

Post by ed » Mon Jan 19, 2015 5:22 pm

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ed wrote:
Anaxagoras wrote:
ed wrote:Seriously. People bemoan "the consumer society". What is the alternative? Buying boiled potatoes in Red Square in 1968?


Only people who are relatively comfortable from a material standpoint can afford to be snobbish about "materialism" or "consumerism".

I suppose you could go live in the woods like Thoreau or something like that, as an alternative.


"Poor" people in the USA live better than humans heve for the past 1000 years. Shit, who was the last person you heard of that died from whooping cough?


Ed, I'll be surprised if you find many disagreements here.

I'm more interested to see if all agree with my interpretation of the episode in question.


The etiquette here is to abuse Lister and then hijack any thread where he tries to share his "taste" in popular entertainment. Trying to be serious about his "choices" is always a challenge. Need I mention the "H" name?
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Re: Black Mirror

Post by Rob Lister » Mon Jan 19, 2015 5:41 pm

This is the thanks I get for being so awesome.

I thought the 'bicycle' episode was a perfect analogy to our current corporate capitalist culture. Viewed in that light, it is mind blowing. They are not 'exercise bikes' that generate power, they are the treadmill of your humdrum lives that keep you peddling for naught with the hopes of being recognized by the oligarchy who require you to do despicable things to be 'part of the herd'.

Pretty fucking obvious to the likes of those that are not ed.

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Re: Black Mirror

Post by ed » Mon Jan 19, 2015 5:57 pm

Rob Lister wrote:This is the thanks I get for being so awesome.

I thought the 'bicycle' episode was a perfect analogy to our current corporate capitalist culture.


corporate capitalist culture???

WTF are you drooling on about?

Get over here ....

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Jesus.
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Re: Black Mirror

Post by Rob Lister » Mon Jan 19, 2015 5:59 pm

ed wrote:
Rob Lister wrote:This is the thanks I get for being so awesome.

I thought the 'bicycle' episode was a perfect analogy to our current corporate capitalist culture.


corporate capitalist culture???

WTF are you drooling on about?

Get over here ....

:De_Bunk:

Jesus.


Here, ed admits that I am 1) right, 2) perfect, 3) awesome, 4) sexy as hell.

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Re: Black Mirror

Post by Grammatron » Mon Jan 19, 2015 7:01 pm

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Grammatron wrote:
Anaxagoras wrote:I finally got through the first season and just watched s2e1.

s2e1 is my favorite so far. Good and creepy.

I found it hard to believe the world in s1e2 could exist in the first place. What sort of conditions would lead to that sort of world I wonder? Have they completely run out of ways to generate energy besides pedaling bicycles? Probably my least favorite of all.


You are over thinking this, I know because I had the same problem.


Agreed. I do think all the other episodes are meant to be taken as literal future extrapolations of our current condition.

But I think this particular episode is total allegory, albeit with the meaning not so hidden. We are all already the workers pedaling the bicycle, and buying meaningless shit. If any of us do happen to have a special talent, or happen to work hard enough to achieve anything whatsoever above our current station, then we're just waiting for our moment to sell out our ideas for the a chance at the next level excess, which in of itself is illusion.

In my view this episode was simply a heavy handed commentary on consumerism. Note that the workers (the peddalers) didn't really have anything of value. Like folks who shop at Walmart or Ikea.


I have a different interpretation.

It's not entirely about consumerism, probably more to do with public who values superficial over everything. it's about current trend to get 15 minutes of fame through reality shows and the like. But what the public really wants is not to see talented people who can sing well, act well, or have some other artistic talent. What the public wants to ultimately see is something perverse and degrading. Think of the recent celebrity cellphone hacks and all the personal info and nude photos that were leaked to the public.
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Re: Black Mirror

Post by Rob Lister » Mon Jan 19, 2015 7:24 pm

dammmmmit Gram, I told you what the metaphor was.

I am right. Why can't you understand that?

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Re: Black Mirror

Post by Grammatron » Mon Jan 19, 2015 7:52 pm

Rob Lister wrote:dammmmmit Gram, I told you what the metaphor was.

I am right. Why can't you understand that?


Well, I do not agree that it's the oligarchy. I think it's the society.

Do the networks put on reality show with bullshit because they see it as a way to control the population or does the population crave and demand reality show bullshit and the networks are giving the people what they want?
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Re: Black Mirror

Post by Rob Lister » Mon Jan 19, 2015 7:58 pm

Grammatron wrote:
Rob Lister wrote:dammmmmit Gram, I told you what the metaphor was.

I am right. Why can't you understand that?


Well, I do not agree that it's the oligarchy. I think it's the society.

Do the networks put on reality show with bullshit ...


OMG. Are you in the ed school of simple?

tHAT'S it. I'm leaving this forum. You're all too damn simple. I'll never post here again.

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Re: Black Mirror

Post by Grammatron » Mon Jan 19, 2015 8:13 pm

Rob Lister wrote:
Grammatron wrote:
Rob Lister wrote:dammmmmit Gram, I told you what the metaphor was.

I am right. Why can't you understand that?


Well, I do not agree that it's the oligarchy. I think it's the society.

Do the networks put on reality show with bullshit ...


OMG. Are you in the ed school of simple?

tHAT'S it. I'm leaving this forum. You're all too damn simple. I'll never post here again.


Can I have your stuff?
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Re: Black Mirror

Post by Rob Lister » Mon Jan 19, 2015 8:34 pm

I've already promised the stereo but you can have the lubricates.