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The History of gnome

Post by Grammatron » Fri Sep 15, 2017 6:07 pm



Came across this interesting question and answers/discussion on the history behind garden gnomes.

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Re: The History of gnome

Post by gnome » Fri Sep 15, 2017 7:22 pm

ALL LIES!!!!

:x :x :x :x :x


Wait, I should probably read it.
"If fighting is sure to result in victory, then you must fight! Sun Tzu said that, and I'd say he knows a little bit more about fighting than you do, pal, because he invented it, and then he perfected it so that no living man could best him in the ring of honor. Then, he used his fight money to buy two of every animal on earth, and then he herded them onto a boat, and then he beat the crap out of every single one. And from that day forward any time a bunch of animals are together in one place it's called a zoo! (Beat) Unless it's a farm!"
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Re: The History of gnome

Post by gnome » Fri Sep 15, 2017 7:38 pm

I've been trying to sort out something of Tommyknocker lore actually... stemming from the term "Tommy" which referred to a miner's (?) wages paid in provisions.

The part I'm trying to nail down is that I've found reference to the "knocking" being a warning from these mythical gnomes to evacuate a mine. But I'm half-remembering a different bit of lore stemming from the rhyme:

"Late last night and the night before, Tommyknockers, Tommyknockers, knocking at the door. I want to go out, don't know if I can, 'cause I'm so afraid of the Tommyknocker man."

As I recall it was a ghost story connected to a village at which miners (?) would arrive by ship after time away working, usually hungry, and would knock on the doors of local houses to beg for food ("Tommy"). The ghost part (and the rhyme) referred to an incident where there was a cave-in or the ship sank or some other disaster, but at the time the miners would have arrived on land, people in the nearby homes would still hear knocking on their door, even with nobody there, as if the ghosts of the dead workers had arrived anyway and were asking for the food.

I found that aspect equally creepy and charming but now I can't find a reference to it anywhere... just of the cave-in warnings... and the closest I've came is confirming the idea of "Tommy"=food. Anyone got anything to help me un-jumble this?
"If fighting is sure to result in victory, then you must fight! Sun Tzu said that, and I'd say he knows a little bit more about fighting than you do, pal, because he invented it, and then he perfected it so that no living man could best him in the ring of honor. Then, he used his fight money to buy two of every animal on earth, and then he herded them onto a boat, and then he beat the crap out of every single one. And from that day forward any time a bunch of animals are together in one place it's called a zoo! (Beat) Unless it's a farm!"
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Re: The History of gnome

Post by Witness » Fri Sep 15, 2017 9:46 pm

An interesting exploration!

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The "Tommy" part seems to be US-specific. For basic details on tommyknockers:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knocker_(folklore)
http://www.bbc.co.uk/devon/content/arti ... ture.shtml
http://www.legendsofamerica.com/gh-tommyknockers.html

Garden gnomes:
https://www.reddit.com/r/AskHistorians/ ... en_gnomes/
The commercialized image seems to derive from the Scandinavian tomtenor nisse, right? In that tradition the tomen was supposed to be the spirit of the farm incarnate, a benign force to protect the inhabitants.
Perhaps "Tommy" is a corruption of "tomten", but I wouldn't put my money on it.

You could also ask your question here:
https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Tal ... klore/info

For the UK:
http://faeryfolklorist.blogspot.ch/search?q=knocker
http://www.historic-uk.com/CultureUK/The-Cornish-Pasty/
A Cornish wife would mark her husband’s pasty with his initials so that if he saved some of his pasty for an afternoon break, he could distinguish his from his colleagues. It was also so that the miner could leave part of his pasty and the crust to the “Knockers”. The Knockers are mischievous “little people”, or sprites, who live in the mines and were believed to cause havoc and misfortune unless they were bribed with small amounts of food. The initials carved into the pasties, it is assumed, made sure that those miners who left their crusts for the “Knockers” could be determined from those who didn’t.
If that's not enough you'll have to dive into books. Here are some old & free ones, good luck:
https://archive.org/details/welshfairytaleso00emeriala
https://archive.org/details/griwels
https://archive.org/details/wondertalesofanc00hendiala
http://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/41761
http://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/47408
http://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/46090
http://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/40246
http://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/41795
http://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/41148
http://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/39934

Report back with your results ASAP. :wink:

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Re: The History of gnome

Post by gnome » Sat Sep 16, 2017 5:37 pm

I came to take underpants, not read...
"If fighting is sure to result in victory, then you must fight! Sun Tzu said that, and I'd say he knows a little bit more about fighting than you do, pal, because he invented it, and then he perfected it so that no living man could best him in the ring of honor. Then, he used his fight money to buy two of every animal on earth, and then he herded them onto a boat, and then he beat the crap out of every single one. And from that day forward any time a bunch of animals are together in one place it's called a zoo! (Beat) Unless it's a farm!"
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Re: The History of gnome

Post by gnome » Sat Sep 16, 2017 5:41 pm

Thank you though, interesting stuff.
"If fighting is sure to result in victory, then you must fight! Sun Tzu said that, and I'd say he knows a little bit more about fighting than you do, pal, because he invented it, and then he perfected it so that no living man could best him in the ring of honor. Then, he used his fight money to buy two of every animal on earth, and then he herded them onto a boat, and then he beat the crap out of every single one. And from that day forward any time a bunch of animals are together in one place it's called a zoo! (Beat) Unless it's a farm!"
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Re: The History of gnome

Post by Abdul Alhazred » Sat Sep 16, 2017 5:59 pm

gnome wrote:I came to take underpants, not read...
Oh.

So you're that kind of gnome. :HoppingMad2:








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